When was the last time Pacman faced a true boxer?

[milmascaras1]

i see mayweather jr. picking his shots and ultimately picking pacquiao apart. he's going to frustrate him and cause him to make alot of mistakes. pacquiao will be taken to school!

[generalbulldog]

I've only seen 1 fight of Lebwaba and that was with Pacquiao. Members from other sites said Lebwaba was a slick boxer and was positioned by HBO to become a star and Pacquiao was a stepping stone coming into the fight on 2 weeks notice. I haven't seen enough of Lebwaba to agree on this, but that could be potentially 1 of those slick boxers that he faced.

[Julius Rain]

I've only seen 1 fight of Lebwaba and that was with Pacquiao. Members from other sites said Lebwaba was a slick boxer and was positioned by HBO to become a star and Pacquiao was a stepping stone coming into the fight on 2 weeks notice. I haven't seen enough of Lebwaba to agree on this, but that could be potentially 1 of those slick boxers that he faced.

Lebwaba wasn't slick at all against pac - pac took him out mid rounds.

[luvfightgame]

Who was available that was fighting at the level Pac's been on for the last 5 years?

Fact is in the weight classes he's been at, until welterweight. There were no top level "boxers" black, white, whatever......

Morales, ODH, Hatton, Cotto, Barrera, are all top level boxer/punchers.

There were no defensive first boxers in those times and classes.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Who was available that was fighting at the level Pac's been on for the last 5 years?

Fact is in the weight classes he's been at, until welterweight. There were no top level "boxers" black, white, whatever......

Morales, ODH, Hatton, Cotto, Barrera, are all top level boxer/punchers.

There were no defensive first boxers in those times and classes.

No one said defensive first. He should have faced Raheem after he schooled Morrales, but took the easier fight instead. The rest is history. Don't see how facing Margarito made more sense than facing Berto or Collazo unless it was all about money first.

[generalbulldog]

Who was available that was fighting at the level Pac's been on for the last 5 years?

Fact is in the weight classes he's been at, until welterweight. There were no top level "boxers" black, white, whatever......

Morales, ODH, Hatton, Cotto, Barrera, are all top level boxer/punchers.

There were no defensive first boxers in those times and classes.

No one said defensive first. He should have faced Raheem after he schooled Morrales, but took the easier fight instead. The rest is history. Don't see how facing Margarito made more sense than facing Berto or Collazo unless it was all about money first.

The Morales fight needed to be taken first, because that was his conqueror, the man that manhandled him in the ring and mocked him by fighting southpaw in the final round.

As for Manny, he's going to get criticized no matter who he faces, when you are 1/2 of the face of boxing right now it happens. An example would be people were saying Pac ducked Nate Cambell and should have fought him after testing the water at 135 after fighting David Diaz, instead of De La Hoya. Now who the hell would turn down 15 or 16 million to fight Nate Cambell for maybe 2 or 3 million? Shit was ridiculous. Or that he ducked Bradley when Hatton was considered to be the man and lineal champ at 140. That fight he got paid 13 million. So he should have fought Bradley for maybe 2 or 3 million who's only a beltholder? Come on, that doesn't make sense financially or in boxing terms.

Now there could be a reasonable argument that he "ducked" Shane after Cotto, but it was expected he would fight Mayweather, until negotiations broke down between both parties and if I"m not mistaken Shane was going to fight Berto until the earthquake happened and then the Floyd-Mosley fight happened.

I'm a firm believer that at the elite level, guys aren't afraid of each other. Fights don't happen for various reasons. See B-Hop/Jones as an example. Took what 17 years for a 2nd fight to happen.

[JazMerkin]

Who was available that was fighting at the level Pac's been on for the last 5 years?

Fact is in the weight classes he's been at, until welterweight. There were no top level "boxers" black, white, whatever......

Morales, ODH, Hatton, Cotto, Barrera, are all top level boxer/punchers.

There were no defensive first boxers in those times and classes.

No one said defensive first. He should have faced Raheem after he schooled Morrales, but took the easier fight instead. The rest is history. Don't see how facing Margarito made more sense than facing Berto or Collazo unless it was all about money first.

The Morales fight needed to be taken first, because that was his conqueror, the man that manhandled him in the ring and mocked him by fighting southpaw in the final round.

As for Manny, he's going to get criticized no matter who he faces, when you are 1/2 of the face of boxing right now it happens. An example would be people were saying Pac ducked Nate Cambell and should have fought him after testing the water at 135 after fighting David Diaz, instead of De La Hoya. Now who the hell would turn down 15 or 16 million to fight Nate Cambell for maybe 2 or 3 million? Shit was ridiculous. Or that he ducked Bradley when Hatton was considered to be the man and lineal champ at 140. That fight he got paid 13 million. So he should have fought Bradley for maybe 2 or 3 million who's only a beltholder? Come on, that doesn't make sense financially or in boxing terms.

Now there could be a reasonable argument that he "ducked" Shane after Cotto, but it was expected he would fight Mayweather, until negotiations broke down between both parties and if I"m not mistaken Shane was going to fight Berto until the earthquake happened and then the Floyd-Mosley fight happened.

I'm a firm believer that at the elite level, guys aren't afraid of each other. Fights don't happen for various reasons. See B-Hop/Jones as an example. Took what 17 years for a 2nd fight to happen.

This. I've always thought the idea that Raheem or Nate Campbell would have beaten Pacquiao is laughable, he's just on a different level to those guys. It's like the idea that Mayweather should have fought Paul Spadafora rather than moving up to 140.

I definitely agree with that in bold, particularly given the opposition that these guys have to get to the top. The only exceptions I can possibly think of would be Bowe/Lewis & maybe Haye with the Klitschkos, although I don't really buy that, I think he's just milking it for now.

I think more often its a case that the trainers or promoters aren't keen to put their guys in with other guys who may pose a bad style match up. But, really the only guys who would now be beating people like Pac & PBF are guys who are the best there is, which simply doesn't describe the likes of Raheem & Nate, even though I am a big Nate fan.

[luvfightgame]

Who was available that was fighting at the level Pac's been on for the last 5 years?

Fact is in the weight classes he's been at, until welterweight. There were no top level "boxers" black, white, whatever......

Morales, ODH, Hatton, Cotto, Barrera, are all top level boxer/punchers.

There were no defensive first boxers in those times and classes.

No one said defensive first. He should have faced Raheem after he schooled Morrales, but took the easier fight instead. The rest is history. Don't see how facing Margarito made more sense than facing Berto or Collazo unless it was all about money first.

Raheem wasn't supposed to win against Morales. Pac and Morales shared the card and were supposed to fight each other and both win...... Just like Zab getting beat by Baldomir, but PBF still fought Zab. Promoter made the fight, not Pac.

Berto and Collazo would be good fights for Pac. Better than Margo. Of course, Margo has the same promoter as Pac, so it's all about money, but not for Pac. Blame Arum, and the various promoters.

Same point though. Pac wasn't avoiding anyone. Fans weren't clamoring for Pac to fight Raheem,Collazo, Berto, etc. Pac was fighting PBF. When that didn't happen his promoter took the next best payday fights.

[Spicoli]

David diaz had mad skills.

[:::PSL:::]

David diaz had mad skills.