True heavyweights as p4p number 1 fighters of their time?

[LondonBB]

Ussually the number 1 p4p spot is dominated by middle weights or below.

It is rarer to see cruisers or heavyweights in at the p4p number 1 spot.

But who were the natural heavyweight sure p4p number 1's in their day?

1 name screams to mind, ali...but he is probably p4p number 1 ever (best fighter ever).

What about joe louis?

Lennox lewis?

Evander holyfield?

Mike tyson?

Rocky marciano?

Its very hard for the heavyweights of say 1980-2000 because whilst you had the likes of tyson, holmes, lewis, holyfield, you also had great fighters in the divisions below, hearns, duran, leonard, roy jones, bernard hopkins etc etc.

What are your opinions?

[intoccabile]

Good question. But as long as Duran, Robinson, Moore, Armstrong, etc etc are still in the history books.. i'd NEVER even argue Ali was p4p the GOAT.

When Roy went to Heavy he was p4p imo.

[LondonBB]

Good question. But as long as Duran, Robinson, Moore, Armstrong, etc etc are still in the history books.. i'd NEVER even argue Ali was p4p the GOAT.

When Roy went to Heavy he was p4p imo.

Interesting? You dont think ali was p4p greatest?

You could be right though, robinson has to be in the top bunch.

Ok, im not knocking roy jones at all, because he was the p4p number 1 at his peak, BUT...

If hes the p4p number 1 at heavyweight, he is fighting at heavyweight, therefore should be able to beat all the other heavyweights as well?

It is of my opinion that if roy jones had fought lenox lewis at heavyweight instead of ruiz then he wouldve been brutally ko'd.

But they would both be in the same division.

Surely if fighters are in the same weight category one would expect the p4p number 1 to win against any other fighter in that division? But most would agree surely that lenox wouldve hurt roy very badly?

For this reason, i cant put him as p4p number 1 when he was at heavyweight, because he didnt make the greatest of heavyweights. I mean, take tyson or holyfield and they wouldve hurt him as well in my opinion.

When he was middle, super middle and light heavy, p4p number 1, but when he made the step up to heavyweight, he wouldve been beaten by lewis, therefore it wouldve been lewis surely who wouldve taken that title if he beat roy jones, had they have fought?

Thing is though, no one can really blame roy for not wanting to fight lennox lol, that wouldve been stupid.

[intoccabile]

I thought you meant what heavyweight in their day was number 1 p4p during the time they were fighting. If that was the question, then Roy Jones was Easily the best fighter in the sport p4p when he was a heavyweight.

Now the question seems to be who imo is the best heavyweight.. I'm not sure what you're saying.

But no heavyweight of any era will ever be Before Robinson or Roberto Duran in my p4p list for All time.

No, i don't think Ali was the greatest fighter of all time pound for pound, a lot of people don't. Tremendous heavyweight though.

Alli is definitely in my top 10 Pound for Pound but he does not come before Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Archie Moore, Willie Pepp, or Rorberto Duran.

[kingfrnk]

HERE U GO LONDONBB HERE IS ALI IN THE FLESH TALKIN ABOUT HOW SRR IS THE BEST P4P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGHhtS7PKGA

[SweetPea]

I thought you meant what heavyweight in their day was number 1 p4p during the time they were fighting. If that was the question, then Roy Jones was Easily the best fighter in the sport p4p when he was a heavyweight.

I believe he's asking what heavyweights were considered #1 pfp at some point during their careers, and specifically, natural heavyweights, not someone like Roy who just moved up to heavy for 1 fight.

Given that, I would say:
Ali in the mid 60s before his exile
Tyson from the time he beat Spinks until he lost to Douglas
That's it.

[ICB]

I'll never understand the hype Muhammad Ali, gets sure he fought the best opposition. But he was a loud mouthed racist, who constantly disrespected his opponents. And he should have atleast 10 losses on his record, the GOAT above Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Robinson ? give me a break.

[DaxxKahn]

Good question. But as long as Duran, Robinson, Moore, Armstrong, etc etc are still in the history books.. i'd NEVER even argue Ali was p4p the GOAT.

When Roy went to Heavy he was p4p imo.

When Ali was in his prime he was the P4P fighter of the sport at that time

[mrodub]

Good question. But as long as Duran, Robinson, Moore, Armstrong, etc etc are still in the history books.. i'd NEVER even argue Ali was p4p the GOAT.

When Roy went to Heavy he was p4p imo.

When Ali was in his prime he was the P4P fighter of the sport at that time

Henry Cooper flatned him in his prime

[GAME]

Good question. But as long as Duran, Robinson, Moore, Armstrong, etc etc are still in the history books.. i'd NEVER even argue Ali was p4p the GOAT.

When Roy went to Heavy he was p4p imo.

When Ali was in his prime he was the P4P fighter of the sport at that time

Henry Cooper flatned him in his prime

. . .and if Agelo Dundee didnt cheat then maybe he would have beaten Ali.

[mrodub]

Yes if dundee did not cheat ali would definatly lost he was only semi contious in the corner if he had to come back out straight away cooper would only have had to push him over not even puch him.
Just goes to show as i say ali was very vunerable all through his career if you take out the we love ali and he is the best thing and just judge him as a fighter you can clerarly see he had some major faults in the ring

[DaxxKahn]

Good question. But as long as Duran, Robinson, Moore, Armstrong, etc etc are still in the history books.. i'd NEVER even argue Ali was p4p the GOAT.

When Roy went to Heavy he was p4p imo.

When Ali was in his prime he was the P4P fighter of the sport at that time

Henry Cooper flatned him in his prime

Henry may have gotten one in on him but are you actually going to sit there and try to act as though Henry was a better fighter then Ali during that era?

[Taeth]

Ali, Louis, Tunney, arguably Dempsey, Marciano could have been.

I don't see how using the Henry Cooper fight which was before Ali's prime as evidence that he was p4p #1, he man handled Liston, Patterson, Archie Moore, and he was clearly the best fighter in his prime, and even after his prime in the sport(in the second half of the 70's it was probably Duran that was the best fighter)

[intoccabile]

Good question. But as long as Duran, Robinson, Moore, Armstrong, etc etc are still in the history books.. i'd NEVER even argue Ali was p4p the GOAT.

When Roy went to Heavy he was p4p imo.

When Ali was in his prime he was the P4P fighter of the sport at that time

for his era...
Im talking of all time. Ali doesnt come before Duran, Rob, Moore, Armstrong, Pepp

and rou was p4p in the sport when he ventured to heavy to.. which is why i dont understand his questrion.

It looks to me like he is trying to ask what Heavyweight in there prime was p4p of all time.. and he excluded adding Ali because he thought Ali was p4p the best ever.

My response is no Ali was not p4p the bst fighter there are about 6 men who come before him atleast on my list.. and no Heavyweight PERIOD during their prime was ever p4p the best in history.

If the question was who was p4p in the Sport and not in history as heavyweight during their primes, then I stand by roy jones, he was p4p the best in the sport at the time.

Someone also answered his question as if he was asking hwo was the best HEAVYWEIGHT of all time..

There's so many holes in his question it's amazing.. so i'll just tick to my answer.

When roy jones was a heavyweight he was also p4p the best in the sport. Not of all time, which answers the question he was asking imo.

[DaxxKahn]

Good question. But as long as Duran, Robinson, Moore, Armstrong, etc etc are still in the history books.. i'd NEVER even argue Ali was p4p the GOAT.

When Roy went to Heavy he was p4p imo.

When Ali was in his prime he was the P4P fighter of the sport at that time

for his era...
Im talking of all time. Ali doesnt come before Duran, Rob, Moore, Armstrong, Pepp

and rou was p4p in the sport when he ventured to heavy to.. which is why i dont understand his questrion.

It looks to me like he is trying to ask what Heavyweight in there prime was p4p of all time.. and he excluded adding Ali because he thought Ali was p4p the best ever.

My response is no Ali was not p4p the bst fighter there are about 6 men who come before him atleast on my list.. and no Heavyweight PERIOD during their prime was ever p4p the best in history.

If the question was who was p4p in the Sport and not in history as heavyweight during their primes, then I stand by roy jones, he was p4p the best in the sport at the time.

Someone also answered his question as if he was asking hwo was the best HEAVYWEIGHT of all time..

There's so many holes in his question it's amazing.. so i'll just tick to my answer.

When roy jones was a heavyweight he was also p4p the best in the sport. Not of all time, which answers the question he was asking imo.

To me I thought he was asking what HW was the P4P best in the sport during their prime not of all time.....