B. Hopkins: When will Pacquiao fight a Black fighter?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Prejudice is preference.

Racism is hatred.

HUGE difference. Everyone is prejudice, in race, in food, in culture.

Doesn't mean everyone is racist, and hates all other things outside of their preference.

A prejudice is a prejudgment: i.e. an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy. The word prejudice is most commonly used to refer to a preconceived judgment toward a people or a person because of race, social class, gender, ethnicity, age, disability, political beliefs, religion, sexual orientation or other personal characteristics. It also means beliefs without knowledge of the facts[1] and may include "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence.

Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although anyone may be discriminated against on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination.
There is some evidence that the meaning of the term has changed over time, and that earlier definitions of racism involved the simple belief that human populations are divided into separate races.[2] Many biologists, anthropologists, and sociologists reject this taxonomy in favor of more specific and/or empirically verifiable criteria, such as geography, ethnicity, or a history of endogamy.[3]

LOL... I love this. The way you posted the breakdowns. I was speaking in general context that most of the people who they are trying to sell fights to can't and don't make that distinction. I mean favoring one because of prejudice one thing, but when on the night of those fight racial fights...every slur in the world is used. Then clearly it has grown into something else.

Take Holmes-Cooney for example. The great white hope some called it. Snipers on the buildings during the fight because white supremacist were talking of shooting Holmes. In the general public those words are interchangeable.

[Fenster]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

[Waleed]

Hopkins: "When Will Pacquiao Face a Top Black Fighter?" - Boxing News

The article is about how Hopkins says that Pac don't fight top black fighters, as in African Americans with that slick style. You know like the Ray Leonard style that B-Hop was talking about.

BTW, just in case someone brings up Lebwaba and Clottey, they aren't african americans. And I think when B-Hop is talking about a top black fighter, he means black american.

I think you can trace it on Pacquiao's previous fights. In 1998 Pacquiao was not that significant that he was not given a shot at Mark Johnson that he fought Sasakul instead.
The only African American that Pacquiao should have fought was Nate Campbell instead of David Diaz at lightweight. The rest self explanatory.

1998 Flyweight
- VS Sasakul (WBC)
1: Mark Johnson (USA), 36-1, IBF champ
2: Mauricio Pastrana (Colombia), 20-0
3: Chatchai Sasakul (Thailand), 33-1, WBC champ
4: Hugo Soto (Argentina), 50-5-2, WBA champ
5: Melchjor Cob Castro (Mexico), 52-6-4
6: Jose Bonilla (Venezuela), 24-5
7: Ruben Sanchez-Leon (Mexico), 22-7-1, WBO champ
8: Eric Morel (Puerto Rico), 18-0
9: Carlos Salazar (Argentina), 47-8-3
10: Alejandro Montiel (Mexico), 38-3

1999 Flyweight
- VS Gabriel Mira (WBC defense)
1: Manny Pacquiao (Phillipines), 26-1, WBC champ
2: C. Dutchboy Gym (Thailand), 34-2
3: Leo Gamez (Venezuela), 32-6-1,WBA champ
4: Irene Pacheco (Venezuela), 24-0, IBF champ
5: Hugo Soto (Argentina), 51-6-2
6: Jose Bonilla (Venezuela), 25-5
7: Jose Lopez Bueno (Spain), 13-3-2, WBO champ
8: Chatchai Chokwiwat (Thailand), 39-5
9: Alejandro Montiel (Mexico), 40-3
10:Peter Culshaw (Britain), 16-1-1, WBU champ

1999 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight

1: Erik Morales (Mexico), 34-0,WBC champ
2: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 49-2, WBO champ
3: Nestor Garza (Mexico), 36-1, WBA champ
4: Carlos Navarro (USA), 19-0
5: Willie Jorrin (USA), 25-0
6: Wayne McCullough (Britain), 23-2
7: Enrique Sanchez (Mexico), 24-1-1
8: Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (S. Africa), 29-1-1, IBF champ
9: Michael Brodie (Britain), 27-0
10: Nana Yaw Konadu (Ghana), 40-4-1

2000 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight

1: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 51-3, WBO
2: Bones Adams (USA), 40-3-3, WBA
3: Willie Jorrin (USA), 27-0, WBC
4: Michael Brodie (Britain), 29-1
5: Danny Romero (USA), 40-3-1
6: Oscar Larios (Mexico), 38-2-1
7: Wayne McCullough (Britain), 23-3
8: Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (S. Africa), 31-1-1, IBF
9: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 30-2
10: Carlos Contreras (Mexico), 16-4-1, WBU

2001 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight
- VS Ledwaba (IBF)
1: Bones Adams, 41-3-3, WBA
2: Willie Jorrin, 28-0, WBC
3: Michael Brodie (Britain), 30-1
4: Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (S. Africa), 32-1-1, IBF
5: Oscar Larios (Mexico), 40-3-1
6: Danny Romero (USA), 41-3-1
7: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 31-2
8: Carlos Contreras (Mexico), 17-4-2, WBU
9: Israel Vazquez (Mexico), 29-2
10: Enrique Sanchez (Mexico), 28-1-2

2002 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight

1: Paulie Ayala (USA), 34-1
2: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 34-2-1, IBF
3: Oscar Larios (Mexico), 45-3-1
4: Willie Jorrin (USA), 28-0-1, WBC
5: Bones Adams (USA), 41-5-3
6: Salim Medjkoune (France), 40-3-1, WBA
7: Joan Guzman (Dom. Rep.), 18-0, WBO
8: Bobby Velardez (USA), 23-4-1
9: Israel Vazquez (Mexico), 33-3
10: Osamu Sato (Japan), 26-2-2

2003 Super Bantamweight/Junior Featherweight

1: Paulie Ayala (USA), 34-2
2: Manny Pacquiao* (Philippines), 36-2-2, IBF
3: Oscar Larios (Mexico), 48-3-1, WBC
4: Salim Medjkoune* (France), 41-3-1, WBA
5: Joan Guzman (Dom. Rep.), 18-0, WBO
6: Wayne McCullough (GB), 26-4
7: Willie Jorrin, 28-1-1
8: Israel Vazquez (Mexico), 33-3
9: Osamu Sato (Japan), 26-2-2
10: Kozo Ishii (Japan), 30-3

2003 Featherweight
-VS Marco Antonio Barrera (The Ring)
1: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 57-3-0-1
2: Erik Morales (Mexico), 44-1, WBC
3: Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico), 40-2, IBF
4: Derrick Gainer (USA), 39-5-1, WBA
5: Scott Harrison (GB), 19-1-1, WBO
6: Naseem Hamed (GB), 36-1, IBO
7: Juan Pablo Chacon (Argentina), 46-3
8: Zahir Raheem (USA), 22-0
9: Manuel Medina (Mexico), 61-13
10: Michael Brodie (GB), 34-1

2004 Featherweight
- VS Juan Manuel Marquez (IBF,WBA)
1: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 38-2-1
2: Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico), 42-2, IBF/WBA
3: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 57-4-0-1
4: Scott Harrison (GB), 21-2-1, WBO
5: Manuel Medina (Mexico), 62-14
6: Rocky Juarez (USA), 19-0
7: Derrick Gainer (USA), 39-6-1
8: Injin Chi (Korea), 28-2-1, WBC
9: William Abelyan (Armenia), 23-4-1
10: Juan Carlos Ramirez (Mexico), 33-5

2005 Super Featherweight
- VS Erik Morales (IBA, WBC)
1: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 59-4-0-1, WBC
2: Erik Morales (Mexico), 47-2
3: Jesus Chavez (Mexico), 40-3
4: Carlos Hernandez (USA), 41-4-1
5: Yodsanan Nanthachai (Thailand), 43-2-1, WBA
6: Robbie Peden (Australia), 24-2
7: Jorge Barrios (Argentina), 42-2-1-1
8: Mike Anchondo (USA), 25-0, WBO
9: Daniel Seda (Puerto Rico), 20-1-1
10: Mzonke Fana (S. Africa), 22-2-1

2006 Super Featherweight
- VS Erik Morales (WBC)
1: M. Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 61-4-0-1, WBC/IBF
2: Erik Morales (Mexico), 48-3
3: Jorge Barrios (Argentina), 44-2-1-1, WBO
4: Zahir Raheem, 27-1
5: Vicente Mosquera (Panama), 21-1-1, WBA
6: Robbie Peden (Australia), 25-3
7: Yodsanan Nanthachai (Thailand), 44-3-1
8: Carlos Hernandez (USA), 41-6-1
9: Janos Nagy (Hungary), 23-0
10: Manuel Medina (Mexico), 65-14

2007 Super Featherweight
- VS Marco Antonio Barrera (WBC)
1: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 43-1-2
2: Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico), 47-3-1, WBC
3: Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico), 63-5-0-1, WBC
4: Joan Guzman (Dom. Rep.), 27-0, WBO
5: Jorge Barrios (Argentina), 46-3-1-1
6: Rocky Juarez (USA), 26-3
7: Humberto Soto (Mexico), 40-5-2
8: Edwin Valero (Venezuela), 21-0, WBA
9: Erik Morales (Mexico), 48-5
10: Yodsanan Nanthachai (Thailand), 50-3-1

2008 Super Featherweight
- VS Juan Manuel Marquez (WBC, The Ring)
1: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 45-3-2
2: Juan Manuel Marquez (Mexico), 48-3-1, WBC
3: Joan Guzman (Dom. Rep.), 28-0, WBO
4: Humberto Soto (Mexico), 43-6-2
5: Jorge Barrios, Argentina, 47-3-1-1
6: Edwin Valero* (Venezuela), 23-0, WBA
7: Alex Arthur (GB), 26-1
8: Mzonke Fana (South Africa), 27-3, IBF
9: Yodsanan Nanthachai (Thailand), 51-3-1
10: Cassius Baloyi (South Africa), 34-3-1

2008 Lightweight
- VS David Diaz (WBC)
1: Nate Campbell (USA), 32-5-1, WBA/WBO/IBF
2: Juan Diaz (USA), 33-1
3: Joel Casamayor (Cuba), 36-3-1
4: David Diaz (USA), 34-1-1, WBC
5: Julio Diaz (Mexico), 34-4
6: Zahir Raheem (USA), 29-2-0-2
7: Almazbek Raiymkulov (Krgyz.), 25-1-1
8: Jose Armando Santa Cruz (Mexico), 25-3
9: Michael Katsidis (Australia), 23-1
10: Yuri Romanov (Ukraine), 21-2

2008 Welterweight
- VS Oscar dela Hoya (before handwrap controversy)
1: Antonio Margarito (Mexico), 37-5-0-1, WBA
2: Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico), 32-1
3: Shane Mosley (USA), 44-5-0-1
4: Paul Williams (USA), 34-1, WBO
5: Joshua Clottey (Ghana), 35-2-0-1, IBF
6: Andre Berto (USA), 22-0, WBC
7: Luis Collazo (USA), 28-3
8: Carlos Quintana (Puerto Rico), 25-2
9: Zab Judah (USA), 36-6-0-2
10: Rafal Jackiewicz (Poland), 32-8-1

2008 Light Welterweight
- VS Ricky Hatton (IBO, The Ring)
1: Ricky Hatton (GB), 45-1
2: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 48-3-2
3: Timothy Bradley, 23-0, WBC
4: Nate Campbell (USA), 33-5-1
5: Kendall Holt (USA), 25-2, WBO
6: Junior Witter (GB), 37-2-2
7: Andreas Kotelnik (Ukraine), 31-2-1, WBA
8: Marcos Maidana (Argentina), 25-1
9: Juan Urango (Colombia), 21-1-1, IBF
10: Paulie Malignaggi (USA), 25-2

2009 Welterweight
- VS Miguel Cotto (WBC, WBO)
1: Floyd Mayweather Jr (USA), 40-0
2: Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico), 34-1, WBO
3: Shane Mosley (USA), 46-5-0-1, WBA
4: JoshuaClottey (Ghana), 35-3-0-1
5: Andre Berto (USA), 25-0, WBC
6: Luis Collazo (USA), 30-4
7: Carlos Quintana (Puerto Rico), 26-2
8: Zab Judah (USA), 37-6-0-2
9: Isaac Hlatshwayo (South Africa), 29-1-1, IBF
10: Selcuk Aydin (Turkey), 19-0

2010 Welterweight
- VS Joshua Clottey
1: Floyd Mayweather Jr (USA), 40-0
2: Manny Pacquiao (Philippines), 50-3-2, WBO
3: Shane Mosley, 46-5-0-1, WBA
4: Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico), 34-2
5: Joshua Clottey (Ghana), 35-3-0-1
6: Andre Berto, 25-0, WBC
7: Luis Collazo , 30-4
8: Zab Judah , 38-6-0-2
9: Selcuk Aydin (Turkey), 19-0
10: Dejan Zavec (Slovenia), 28-1, IBF

2010 Light Middleweight/Super Welterweight
VS - Margarito
1: Sergio Martinez (Argentina), 44-2-2, WBC
2: Kermit Cintron (Puerto Rico), 32-2-0
3: Alfredo Angulo (Mexico), 19-1-0
4: Miguel Cotto (Puerto Rico), 35-2, WBA
5: Ryan Rhodes (GB), 43-4-0
6: Sechew Powell (USA), 26-2-0
7: Yuri Foreman (USA), 28-1-0
8: Vanes Martirosyan (USA), 28-0-0
9: Sergei Dzinziruk (Ukraine), 37-0-0, WBO
10: Cornelius Bundrage (USA), 30-4-0, IBF

[JonesJrMayweather]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Which only makes the point I was making valid. Most people don't distinguish the two and use them interchangeably.

[Fenster]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Which only makes the point I was making valid. Most people don't distinguish the two and use them interchangeably.

Right.. but they are using the term incorrectly.

If I say I hate all white fighters and would never cheer for them. That means i'm a racist.

If I say I hate all British fighters and would never cheer for them. That means i'm prejudice towards Brits, because obviously Britsh fighters encompass all different ethnicities.

[JonesJrMayweather]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Which only makes the point I was making valid. Most people don't distinguish the two and use them interchangeably.

Right.. but they are using the term incorrectly.

If I say I hate all white fighters and would never cheer for them. That means i'm a racist.

If I say I hate all British fighters and would never cheer for them. That means i'm prejudice towards Brits, because obviously Britsh fighters encompass all different ethnicities.

I agree. But i was trying to address why hopkins thinks the way he does. Because believe it or not the casual boxing fan is as ignorant as bhop.

[El Kabong]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

[Fenster]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

Genius. Fact.

[killersheep]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

Genius. Fact.

He was making the exact same point as you

[Fenster]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

Genius. Fact.

He was making the exact same point as you

Genius. Fact.

[killersheep]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

Genius. Fact.

He was making the exact same point as you

Genius. Fact.

Now you're just being a dick

[El Kabong]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

Genius. Fact.

He was making the exact same point as you

Genius. Fact.

Don't you have some chimneys to clean?

[Fenster]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

Genius. Fact.

He was making the exact same point as you

Genius. Fact.

Now you're just being a dick

No i'm not..

Did I say something that didn't make sense? (maybe i'm drunk)

[killersheep]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

Genius. Fact.

He was making the exact same point as you

Genius. Fact.

Now you're just being a dick

No i'm not..

Did I say something that didn't make sense? (maybe i'm drunk)

What does that have to do with being a dick?

[Fenster]

luvfightgame is 100% right. Prejudice gets confused with racism, especially on this site, all the time. There are lots of people on here that show a blatant prejudice against British fighters but do not come across as racist.

Well British isn't a race, I mean Ricky Hatton, Amir Khan, and Derek Chisora are hardly of the same race but all are British.

Genius. Fact.

He was making the exact same point as you

Genius. Fact.

Now you're just being a dick

No i'm not..

Did I say something that didn't make sense? (maybe i'm drunk)

What does that have to do with being a dick?

You da man sheep, you da MAN!!!!!