So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

[CFH]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

[Gandalf]

Why not top 10? Name me a fighter that fights that quality of opposition and doesn't haggle over catch weights. Froch has been facing opponents with 0's or else have been coming off of very decent recent wins. The Kessler fight could have gone either way too.

Froch is clearly the best fighter Britain has right now.

[generalbulldog]

Why not top 10? Name me a fighter that fights that quality of opposition and doesn't haggle over catch weights. Froch has been facing opponents with 0's or else have been coming off of very decent recent wins. The Kessler fight could have gone either way too.

Froch is clearly the best fighter Britain has right now.

David Haye supporters will disagree.

[Kev]

Why not top 10? Name me a fighter that fights that quality of opposition and doesn't haggle over catch weights. Froch has been facing opponents with 0's or else have been coming off of very decent recent wins. The Kessler fight could have gone either way too.

Froch is clearly the best fighter Britain has right now.

David Haye supporters will disagree.

Beating Audley Harrison actually loses credibility. Haye dropped down from the top spot for taking that fight.

[Cressa121]

Froch should definitely be in the top 10. There aren't many fighters who have fought the quality of opposition he has of late and beaten them to boot. I'm too lazy to make a list, but he'd be in my top 10 comfortably

[gest12645]

P4P is not only about resumee but about performance. He lost to Dirrell imo, lost to kessler. looked bad against taylor. Looked average against Pacal.

But he did in fact look good against Abraham. Still I wouldnt have him in my top 20 .

[ICB]

Well in my own personal opinion, i thought he lost clearly to Dirrell, Kessler. But based on the record books i think he could slot in at number 10.

1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Floyd Mayweather Jr
3 Juan Manuel Marquez
4 Sergio Martinez
5 Fernando Montiel
6 Pongsaklek Wongjongkam
7 Wladimir Klitschko
8 Timothy Bradley
9 Juan Manuel Lopez
10 Anselmo Moreno

This was my P4P list.

1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Floyd Mayweather Jr
3 Juan Manuel Marquez
4 Sergio Martinez
5 Fernando Montiel
6 Pongsaklek Wongjongkam
7 Wladimir Klitschko
8 Timothy Bradley
9 Juan Manuel Lopez
10 Carl Froch

Have Carl Froch replace Anselmo Moreno.

[BIG H]

P4P is not only about resumee but about performance. He lost to Dirrell imo, lost to kessler. looked bad against taylor. Looked average against Pacal.

But he did in fact look good against Abraham. Still I wouldnt have him in my top 20 .

Yeh I kinda see it that way.

My take

Very sloppy against Pascal - but excellent heart and great win
Lost the first 35 and a half minuted to Taylor (fair play for getting him out of there though)
Lost to Dirrell
Lost to Kessler
Superb disciplined performance against AA

I am going to watch the Kessler fight today, becuase a lot of people think Froch could've nicked that, but I had Kessler a clear winner (when watching on live stream) So maybe I was wrong

[Kev]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

Oh hell no, I meant Ward.

I forgot Montiel and Bradley. I'd have Froch above Pascal simply because he beat him decisively when they fought.

Of course you'd have him above Froch, because he's Canadian

[CFH]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

Oh hell no, I meant Ward.

I forgot Montiel and Bradley. I'd have Froch above Pascal simply because he beat him decisively when they fought.

Of course you'd have him above Froch, because he's Canadian

I absolutely loathed Pascal for the longest time. I felt, and still feel, that he called out Miranda and then ducked him, but he's slowly won me over. I'd have him about Froch because a) I feel that his victory over Dawson is more impressive than anything Froch has yet accomplished, and b) Even though he lost to Froch, I feel that Pascal is the better fighter today. I'd absolutely love to see a rematch though, but I doubt it happens because I believe they became close friends and training-partners following their fight.

[Kev]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

Oh hell no, I meant Ward.

I forgot Montiel and Bradley. I'd have Froch above Pascal simply because he beat him decisively when they fought.

Of course you'd have him above Froch, because he's Canadian

I absolutely loathed Pascal for the longest time. I felt, and still feel, that he called out Miranda and then ducked him, but he's slowly won me over. I'd have him about Froch because a) I feel that his victory over Dawson is more impressive than anything Froch has yet accomplished, and b) Even though he lost to Froch, I feel that Pascal is the better fighter today. I'd absolutely love to see a rematch though, but I doubt it happens because I believe they became close friends and training-partners following their fight.

I'm acutally a fan of Pascal. He took his loss like a man, made no excuses, learnt from it and improved. He has my respect, unlike Bad Chad who after being upset by Pascal himself just whined about how hard done by he was.

Pascall comes across as a consummate professional imo.

[CFH]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

Oh hell no, I meant Ward.

I forgot Montiel and Bradley. I'd have Froch above Pascal simply because he beat him decisively when they fought.

Of course you'd have him above Froch, because he's Canadian

I absolutely loathed Pascal for the longest time. I felt, and still feel, that he called out Miranda and then ducked him, but he's slowly won me over. I'd have him about Froch because a) I feel that his victory over Dawson is more impressive than anything Froch has yet accomplished, and b) Even though he lost to Froch, I feel that Pascal is the better fighter today. I'd absolutely love to see a rematch though, but I doubt it happens because I believe they became close friends and training-partners following their fight.

I'm acutally a fan of Pascal. He took his loss like a man, made no excuses, learnt from it and improved. He has my respect, unlike Bad Chad who after being upset by Pascal himself just whined about how hard done by he was.

Pascall comes across as a consummate professional imo.

I'm a big fan of his now, but it took a long time for him to win me over after the Miranda debacle.

[Hornfinger]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

[Deanrw]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

Not really. Since their fight Pascal has 3 very good wins over good opposition and other wins against ho-hum opposition. He does have a good win over one guy who was considered a top P4P'er

Froch has had mixed results. He has had some very good wins over good opposition but he still has a loss. He looked great yesterday and I do believe he earned a spot.

Goes to show that Froch and Pascal are warriors. They will fight again.

[Hornfinger]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

Not really. Since their fight Pascal has 3 very good wins over good opposition and other wins against ho-hum opposition. He does have a good win over one guy who was considered a top P4P'er

Froch has had mixed results. He has had some very good wins over good opposition but he still has a loss. He looked great yesterday and I do believe he earned a spot.

Goes to show that Froch and Pascal are warriors. They will fight again.

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NAH!

You are right though i think at some point they will meet again, but to be honest I think the out come will be the same. I think the outcome of the Hopkins fight will have a big effect on Pascal's P4P rating one way or the other...