Hey Herb, thanks for the informative post (as usual)


the only place that I got that ordering a size less thing was 'boxingdepot.com' in there sizing help section for shoes it states...

# What size should I get?

Most boxing shoes run in the same sizes as normal shoes. If you are a size 11 in running shoes, it is likely you are a size 11 in boxing shoes as well. Some fighters like to get a half size lower so the shoes are very snug and resistant to sliding around.
also on the Rival site, for those particular shoes the sizing chart indicates that a rival size 8 = US size 9, and a rival size 9 = US size 10, etc.

but I guess that is just Rival specific and the quote from boxing depot may simply be inaccurate.

You know, I'd like to think that by 2010 shoe sizes should be completely standard, but normally I wear 9.5, but I can tell you this, Timberlands and Wallabees, I need an 8.5 and can usually even fit into an 8.

... anyways thats just my personal experience... now on to your reccomendations...

I cant go to local stores, cuz I cant find anyone that carries boxing shoes in retail stores in Toronto as odd as that is. Maybe I need to visit some of those 'specialty mma stores' that have been popping up around the city lately.

soo yea, contacting the manufacturer or seller will most likely be my best bet.

Thanks Herb.