De La Hoya: Pacquiao makes fighters lose on the scales 1st

[arcanum26]

Yup and it's a simple answer.

YES OF COURSE IT AFFECTS HIS OPPONANTS. WHY ELSE WOULD HE MAKE THOSE DEMANDS?

To even the playing field? If his opponents (cotto/margarito?) thought they had a good chance of winning against manny at their respective catchweight fights then sign the contract, why would you blame it all on manny? It affects his opponents but you can't quantify it in absolute terms the way you can't say how much an advantage they would have against manny come fight night after they rehydrate themselves.

Cotto, margarito and oscar, underestimated Pacquiao and overestimated how effective and capable they'd be getting down to that weight.

If pacquiao doesn't think it's an even playing feild to go up the weight catagories, you know what? DON'T GO UP TO THE FUCKING WEIGHT CLASS.

If you don't think it's fair for you to go up to 147 or 154. Don't fight a 147 or 154 guy! SIMPLE!

Why would you blame it on manny when it was cotto, margarito and oscar who had their assessments/estimates on their effectiveness wrong on the first place?

Also why are you so intent on blaming it all on manny when you didn't hear a excuses from cotto/margarito about the catchweight matter after their losses? I know you'll say it's because of a big payday but I'm absolutely sure they thought they had a chance to win and were grateful for that chance. It's just that as you said they underestimated manny and overestimated their effectiveness. And that fault does not lie on manny.

Cuz manny put the deal on the table. Instead of challenge Oscar at 154 like mayweather did he said 'no it's gotta be 147.' Instead of challenge cotto at 147 like all of cotto's previous opponants have he said no it's gotta be 145 (even though he fought oscar and clottey at 147) Instead of fight Margarito at 154 which is the light middleweight limit that that title should be fought at. 154 the weight that margarito went up to fight daniel santos at.

Pacquiao and his demands. His opponants are daft for bowing to them.... But all they're thinking is pay day.

It's hard to believe manny "forced" oscar to go to 147 while oscar held all the cards back then. As for cotto, do you honestly believe cotto drained himself to make 145 when just several months prior to that he went up against clottey at 146? The cotto/clottey fight was at 147 and he didn't even reach that limit. What makes you think he drained himself to go at 145? As for margarito, aside from his previous fight with Garcia, he's been fighting at the ww limit and he's been pretty much comfortable at that weight.

I think it all boils down to whether manny deserved the belts he got from cotto and margo. But in terms of the catchweight being an issue in the actual fight, who's to say it's why they lost? Didn't you just say they underestimated manny and overestimated their own potential? Hardly manny's fault. I see it as an equalizer to the weight advantage they had come fight night.

[Rantcatrat]

Yup and it's a simple answer.

YES OF COURSE IT AFFECTS HIS OPPONANTS. WHY ELSE WOULD HE MAKE THOSE DEMANDS?

To even the playing field? If his opponents (cotto/margarito?) thought they had a good chance of winning against manny at their respective catchweight fights then sign the contract, why would you blame it all on manny? It affects his opponents but you can't quantify it in absolute terms the way you can't say how much an advantage they would have against manny come fight night after they rehydrate themselves.

Cotto, margarito and oscar, underestimated Pacquiao and overestimated how effective and capable they'd be getting down to that weight.

If pacquiao doesn't think it's an even playing feild to go up the weight catagories, you know what? DON'T GO UP TO THE FUCKING WEIGHT CLASS.

If you don't think it's fair for you to go up to 147 or 154. Don't fight a 147 or 154 guy! SIMPLE!

Why would you blame it on manny when it was cotto, margarito and oscar who had their assessments/estimates on their effectiveness wrong on the first place?

Also why are you so intent on blaming it all on manny when you didn't hear a excuses from cotto/margarito about the catchweight matter after their losses? I know you'll say it's because of a big payday but I'm absolutely sure they thought they had a chance to win and were grateful for that chance. It's just that as you said they underestimated manny and overestimated their effectiveness. And that fault does not lie on manny.

Cuz manny put the deal on the table. Instead of challenge Oscar at 154 like mayweather did he said 'no it's gotta be 147.' Instead of challenge cotto at 147 like all of cotto's previous opponants have he said no it's gotta be 145 (even though he fought oscar and clottey at 147) Instead of fight Margarito at 154 which is the light middleweight limit that that title should be fought at. 154 the weight that margarito went up to fight daniel santos at.

Pacquiao and his demands. His opponants are daft for bowing to them.... But all they're thinking is pay day.

It's hard to believe manny "forced" oscar to go to 147 while oscar held all the cards back then. As for cotto, do you honestly believe cotto drained himself to make 145 when just several months prior to that he went up against clottey at 146? The cotto/clottey fight was at 147 and he didn't even reach that limit. What makes you think he drained himself to go at 145? As for margarito, aside from his previous fight with Garcia, he's been fighting at the ww limit and he's been pretty much comfortable at that weight.

I think it all boils down to whether manny deserved the belts he got from cotto and margo. But in terms of the catchweight being an issue in the actual fight, who's to say it's why they lost? Didn't you just say they underestimated manny and overestimated their own potential? Hardly manny's fault. I see it as an equalizer to the weight advantage they had come fight night.

Agreed.