Juan Manuel Marquez - who should he face if he doesn't win the Pacquiao sweepstakes?

[milmascaras1]

rant,

to tell you the truth, if indeed pacquiao does go ahead with the mosley fight, i don't want to see marquez/pacquiao anymore! why? marquez is going to be just too damned old. it would have been great to see them fight next but later on in 2011 would be just to much to ask for marquez who by that time would be 38 years old. i believe the boxing world wanted this fight but because of stupid boxing politics, it sadly will probably never happen again.

[Rantcatrat]

rant,

to tell you the truth, if indeed pacquiao does go ahead with the mosley fight, i don't want to see marquez/pacquiao anymore! why? marquez is going to be just too damned old. it would have been great to see them fight next but later on in 2011 would be just to much to ask for marquez who by that time would be 38 years old. i believe the boxing world wanted this fight but because of stupid boxing politics, it sadly will probably never happen again.

do you still want to see him fight Soto or would you prefer to see him fight Berto/Bradley?

who do you think would win between JMM and Berto or Bradley?

[milmascaras1]

rant,

i'd like to see him fight soto because, bradley and berto are just too young and fresh. i know berto is way too strong for marquez and bradley is too fast right now.

the reason why i think marquez would give pacquiao a lot of problems again, because he knows him from his two fights already. he knows his weaknesses and strengths and besides, pacquiao's come forward style accommodates marquez' style.

you know, since the marquez/pacquiao I fight, after that first round in which marquez was dropped 3 times, marquez has won the vast majority of the next 23 rounds. that's what i mean that marquez knows pacquiao and after that first round, he made adjustments and outboxed him.

[Rantcatrat]

rant,

i'd like to see him fight soto because, bradley and berto are just too young and fresh. i know berto is way too strong for marquez and bradley is too fast right now.

the reason why i think marquez would give pacquiao a lot of problems again, because he knows him from his two fights already. he knows his weaknesses and strengths and besides, pacquiao's come forward style accommodates marquez' style.

you know, since the marquez/pacquiao I fight, after that first round in which marquez was dropped 3 times, marquez has won the vast majority of the next 23 rounds. that's what i mean that marquez knows pacquiao and after that first round, he made adjustments and outboxed him.

My point still is if Marquez can't win a fight above 135, he won't get another Pacquiao fight.

It also seems like you are holding Pacquiao and Marquez to two different standards. You say Berto and Bradley are too young and fresh for Marquez, but at the same time, not for Pacquiao? Do you consider Pacquiao just better than Marquez at the higher weight because he would handle Berto and Bradley better?

[Julius Rain]

rant,

i'd like to see him fight soto because, bradley and berto are just too young and fresh. i know berto is way too strong for marquez and bradley is too fast right now.

the reason why i think marquez would give pacquiao a lot of problems again, because he knows him from his two fights already. he knows his weaknesses and strengths and besides, pacquiao's come forward style accommodates marquez' style.

you know, since the marquez/pacquiao I fight, after that first round in which marquez was dropped 3 times, marquez has won the vast majority of the next 23 rounds. that's what i mean that marquez knows pacquiao and after that first round, he made adjustments and outboxed him.

My point still is if Marquez can't win a fight above 135, he won't get another Pacquiao fight.

It also seems like you are holding Pacquiao and Marquez to two different standards. You say Berto and Bradley are too young and fresh for Marquez, but at the same time, not for Pacquiao? Do you consider Pacquiao just better than Marquez at the higher weight because he would handle Berto and Bradley better?

This guy contradicts himself a lot, he voted for pac in his prime below lightweight in my thread and still has not explain why.

[LukeH]

[QUOTE=Rantcatrat;925400]

rant,

i'd like to see him fight soto because, bradley and berto are just too young and fresh. i know berto is way too strong for marquez and bradley is too fast right now.

the reason why i think marquez would give pacquiao a lot of problems again, because he knows him from his two fights already. he knows his weaknesses and strengths and besides, pacquiao's come forward style accommodates marquez' style.

you know, since the marquez/pacquiao I fight, after that first round in which marquez was dropped 3 times, marquez has won the vast majority of the next 23 rounds. that's what i mean that marquez knows pacquiao and after that first round, he made adjustments and outboxed him.

My point still is if Marquez can't win a fight above 135, he won't get another Pacquiao fight.

It also seems like you are holding Pacquiao and Marquez to two different standards. You say Berto and Bradley are too young and fresh for Marquez, but at the same time, not for Pacquiao? Do you consider Pacquiao just better than Marquez at the higher weight because he would handle Berto and Bradley better?[/QUOTE

I dont think most Marquez fans want him to fight Pacquiao above leightweight if at all.

Pacquiao is younger than Marquez, so I dont really understand your point about holding them to differing standards.

[milmascaras1]

my point is this, pacquiao is in his absolute prime right now. he can compete more effectively i believe, with fighters like berto and bradley because they are also in their prime. marquez, is too old for berto and mosley. however, as he's already proven, can give pacquiao an interesting fight like his first two. berto and bradley are just too young and in their prime for marquez. whereas pacquiao, while still in his prime, matches up well with marquez because marquez knows how to fight him. he's proven that but instead, pacquiao chooses an old mosley who definitely cannot be competitive anymore at the championship level.

now tell me, explain to me if pacquiao is not cherry picking his opponents, why wasn't berto nor bradley or anybody as fast as pacquiao, chosen as his opponent? and please don't tell me that bullshit that they wouldn't sell enough ppv's! do you actually think the knowledgeable boxing public is going to shell out $54.95 to see a one sided beat down? pacquiao is a multi-millionaire many times over, surely he can go after a top fighter so that he can shut up his most ardent critics.

and another thing, sergio martinez already said he would come down to 154 to challenge pacquiao for his jr. middleweight title but bob arum balked as usual. why? and please don't tell me pacquiao is too small for martinez. pacquiao was willing to beat up a slow, margarito for the jr. middleweight title at a catchweight so why can't he defend it with martinez as his opponent? i'll tell you why, it's because martinez would kill pacquiao and pacman knows it. he only wants fights where he has a big speed advantage. forget about the height and weight, speed kills and if your opponent happens to fight you at a catchweight and he's slow and past his prime, what a better opponent for pacquiao!!!

[Julius Rain]

my point is this, pacquiao is in his absolute prime right now. he can compete more effectively i believe, with fighters like berto and bradley because they are also in their prime. marquez, is too old for berto and mosley. however, as he's already proven, can give pacquiao an interesting fight like his first two. berto and bradley are just too young and in their prime for marquez. whereas pacquiao, while still in his prime, matches up well with marquez because marquez knows how to fight him. he's proven that but instead, pacquiao chooses an old mosley who definitely cannot be competitive anymore at the championship level.

now tell me, explain to me if pacquiao is not cherry picking his opponents, why wasn't berto nor bradley or anybody as fast as pacquiao, chosen as his opponent? and please don't tell me that bullshit that they wouldn't sell enough ppv's! do you actually think the knowledgeable boxing public is going to shell out $54.95 to see a one sided beat down? pacquiao is a multi-millionaire many times over, surely he can go after a top fighter so that he can shut up his most ardent critics.

and another thing, sergio martinez already said he would come down to 154 to challenge pacquiao for his jr. middleweight title but bob arum balked as usual. why? and please don't tell me pacquiao is too small for martinez. pacquiao was willing to beat up a slow, margarito for the jr. middleweight title at a catchweight so why can't he defend it with martinez as his opponent? i'll tell you why, it's because martinez would kill pacquiao and pacman knows it. he only wants fights where he has a big speed advantage. forget about the height and weight, speed kills and if your opponent happens to fight you at a catchweight and he's slow and past his prime, what a better opponent for pacquiao!!!

wow now you are saying pac is in his absolute prime right now but yet in my thread you voted pac was better below lightweight?

[Rantcatrat]

my point is this, pacquiao is in his absolute prime right now. he can compete more effectively i believe, with fighters like berto and bradley because they are also in their prime. marquez, is too old for berto and mosley. however, as he's already proven, can give pacquiao an interesting fight like his first two. berto and bradley are just too young and in their prime for marquez. whereas pacquiao, while still in his prime, matches up well with marquez because marquez knows how to fight him. he's proven that but instead, pacquiao chooses an old mosley who definitely cannot be competitive anymore at the championship level.

now tell me, explain to me if pacquiao is not cherry picking his opponents, why wasn't berto nor bradley or anybody as fast as pacquiao, chosen as his opponent? and please don't tell me that bullshit that they wouldn't sell enough ppv's! do you actually think the knowledgeable boxing public is going to shell out $54.95 to see a one sided beat down? pacquiao is a multi-millionaire many times over, surely he can go after a top fighter so that he can shut up his most ardent critics.

and another thing, sergio martinez already said he would come down to 154 to challenge pacquiao for his jr. middleweight title but bob arum balked as usual. why? and please don't tell me pacquiao is too small for martinez. pacquiao was willing to beat up a slow, margarito for the jr. middleweight title at a catchweight so why can't he defend it with martinez as his opponent? i'll tell you why, it's because martinez would kill pacquiao and pacman knows it. he only wants fights where he has a big speed advantage. forget about the height and weight, speed kills and if your opponent happens to fight you at a catchweight and he's slow and past his prime, what a better opponent for pacquiao!!!

You are turning this into a Pacquiao thread! I wanted to talk Marquez.

[KananKrus]

Why don't we simply just respond to the original premise and respect the value of this topic and the responses it has so far generated instead of derailing it by causing sub topics of indirect relevance or worst, to sometimes even camouflaged responses but in actuality an individual's rant against a disfavored boxer?

If this thread is found unsuitable to a particular train of thought, then start a thread on a topic to your own liking and host the exchange of ideas if you will, but please let's respect the interest of others to this particular topic, to further this and see its end should be of interest to all of us.

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Marquez should start campaigning in the 140+ lbs! Strive for legitimacy! Not to do so puts a dark cloud on his "true" aspirations.

It would be agreeable that if JMM goes and fight Soto or anyone back at 135 lbs after a breakdown in the "lottery" contest, will mean that his goal of getting it on a third time with Pacquiao is more financial in flavor than of a recognition type of an endeavor. It will make JMM's and indirectly GBP's quest as having less to do with aspirations for a 4th weight category title belt for JMM, but a mere "financial" in its urgency.

In Juan Ma's case, a padding of his retirement cache is not a stretch of imagination as far as his real main goal is concerned. For as battle scarred as he is and as weakly as he has had performed in the past fighting in the division above the 135 lbs class, it is a strong possibility, that he may very well end up retired if things go south after a bout with Pac at 140+ lbs. (Pacquiao has been known to have obliged and retired a few in the past).

To validate his case then, he should face the upstarts angling for a ring date with Pacquiao, who knows... this may very well ensure a third!