well KHAN sure knows how to RUN... Run Khan Run....that's what I learned tonight.

[Rantcatrat]

Like I said before the fight, I give Khan credit for even taking this fight given his shaky past in the ring with punchers. That he also won the fight after being hurt by Maidana is testament to his desire and heart. I give it up to him.

After watching Hatton and Maidana fight PBF and Khan, if I'm a swarming, inside fighter, I would NEVER agree to Joe Cortez as the ref. Significantly, he broke up the fight when he shouldn't have. He did an all around poor job. It definitely felt like Maidana may have had him out of there if Cortez hadn't hadn't consistely interfered.


Here is a good article on Cortez's bum job: A Note on Khan vs. Maidana: Overly Involved Joe Cortez - Boxing News

• Notably, Cortez broke the fighters up prematurely 36 times.

I gave round 10 to Maidana with a 10-8 score and rounds 11-12 to Maidana as 10-9 rounds. I thought it was pretty clear. Maidana landed more punches than Khan and controlled the pace. Khan just spent the rounds retreating. It's what he had to do to win. Nothing really wrong with it to win, but you don't win rounds doing it.

Here is the link for the compubox punch statistics: Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana - CompuBox Stats

Quick summary of rounds 10-12 (note that Khan's output dropped in half after round 9):

Round 10: AK -12/35, MM - 26/85
Round 11: AK - 12/29, MM - 19/64
Round 12: AK - 11/32, MM - 20/83

Given that I gave rounds 10-12 to Maidana with a 10-8 round for Maidana in the 10th, I had Amir taking a close decision win. I thought if Cortez hadn't deducted the point from Maidana (or had deducted one from Khan for holding), I wouldn't have been too upset with a draw. Well, I'm not sure, I need to see it once more, I had Khan winning this fight though.

CompuBox at Ringside: Khan-Maidana, Ortiz-Peterson - Boxing News

I thought Khan would dominate Maidana from piller to post for 12 rounds and instead Maidana made the fight very interesting. So, in a way, Maidana's stock rose more than Khan's did for me. On the other hand, Maidana looked sooo slow in there, and the reason was probably because Khan was sooo fast. Also, Khan showed grit and determination that I didn't know he possessed. Strangely, even though he survived Maidana's bombs, I still believe punchers are Khan's weakness. Paulie is a much better boxer than Maidana, and much faster, but Khan dominated Paulie. His performances against the two boxers couldn't be more different.

Hats off to El Chino. He came into the fight the vast underdog. He was up against a boxer with a much better pedigree (Freddie Roach-trained, Olympic medal winner, vast amateur experience etc). He showed championship heart too.

[Kev]

I still don't know how Bilbo scored the 11th or the 12th for Khan, a shoeshine here and there doesn't win a round. But they weren't 10-8 rounds. Round 10 was but that's about it.

Maidana didn't really do anything in the 11th. He shot his bolt in the 10th. He kept coming forward but the only decent punches landed were by Amir. Watch it again.

Perhaps you should watch it again. There's no way Khan won 11th or 12th. Maidana won 10-12 clearly.

Plenty of people gave Khan a share of those rounds. Maybe you should watch it again.

[Gandalf]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

[Kev]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

That's because there are a lot of stupid and uninformed Khan haters on the internet Miles. It was an intentional foul. Are you, the great moral guardian of integrity and fair conduct actually saying that a person should only be punished for an intentional misdeed if they successfully pull it off? Surely not!

What about a politician who gets caught when he falsely claims for a mortgage allowance on a property he has already cleared the mortgage on, or an angry student who hurls a fire exstinguisher from the top of a building at a police officer below but misses. Should they be let off because their intentional crimes were unsuccessful?

Oh the hypocrisy

[Fenster]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

If the elbow had cut Khan so that he couldn't continue what should Cortez have done?

[Fenster]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

That's because there are a lot of stupid and uninformed Khan haters on the internet Miles. It was an intentional foul. Are you, the great moral guardian of integrity and fair conduct actually saying that a person should only be punished for an intentional misdeed if they successfully pull it off? Surely not!

What about a politician who gets caught when he falsely claims for a mortgage allowance on a property he has already cleared the mortgage on, or an angry student who hurls a fire exstinguisher from the top of a building at a police officer below but misses. Should they be let off because their intentional crimes were unsuccessful?

Oh the hypocrisy

lol,

If Khan had thrown the elbow miles would be outraged that Cortez hadn't chucked him out the fight. And would be ranting and raving about Khan being such a despicable human being.

[Kev]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

If the elbow had cut Khan so that he couldn't continue what should Cortez have done?

You know full well the answer to that Fenster. Maidana would have a point deducted but Khan made to continue and if the fight was stopped due to the cut a TKO win awarded to Maidana, all to right the wrong of the Barrera outrage.

[Gandalf]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

If the elbow had cut Khan so that he couldn't continue what should Cortez have done?

That is serious, but it didn't happen and judging by the way it hit Cortez in the chest, it would not have hit Khan in the face anyway.

[Kev]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

That's because there are a lot of stupid and uninformed Khan haters on the internet Miles. It was an intentional foul. Are you, the great moral guardian of integrity and fair conduct actually saying that a person should only be punished for an intentional misdeed if they successfully pull it off? Surely not!

What about a politician who gets caught when he falsely claims for a mortgage allowance on a property he has already cleared the mortgage on, or an angry student who hurls a fire exstinguisher from the top of a building at a police officer below but misses. Should they be let off because their intentional crimes were unsuccessful?

Oh the hypocrisy

lol,

If Khan had thrown the elbow miles would be outraged that Cortez hadn't chucked him out the fight. And would be ranting and raving about Khan being such a despicable human being.

He'd see it as a sign of his moral decline since moving to America and probably even mixing with zionists over there.

[Gandalf]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

That's because there are a lot of stupid and uninformed Khan haters on the internet Miles. It was an intentional foul. Are you, the great moral guardian of integrity and fair conduct actually saying that a person should only be punished for an intentional misdeed if they successfully pull it off? Surely not!

What about a politician who gets caught when he falsely claims for a mortgage allowance on a property he has already cleared the mortgage on, or an angry student who hurls a fire exstinguisher from the top of a building at a police officer below but misses. Should they be let off because their intentional crimes were unsuccessful?

Oh the hypocrisy

Yeah, very interesting and mildly amusing...but I will only engage about politics on the other board. I keep asking you to do the same, but you just cannot help yourself. I like debating with you Bilbo, but let's keep to the topic at hand and that is Amir Khan.

I think in terms of boxing where morality is not always the strongest guiding factor in the sport, that we have to make allowances sometimes. Combatants have a will to win and sometimes they will do silly things. Maidana did a silly thing. I have never once denied this, but it didn't harm Khan and in fact would have had no bearing on the fight had Cortez not taken the point away.

If we are to make boxing a moral sport then we should be taking points off of lots of fighters. Wlad Klitschko who sees himself as a modern day John Ruiz should be docked for clinching. Hopkins should be docked for use of the head etc. But they aren't. And yet it's okay to dock Maidana for poking Cortez in the chest one time? It just wasn't neccessary.

[Memphis]

I dont like Cortez but I think he did Maidana a few favours also in that fight. Maidana carried on clubbing after a break was called several times and nowt happened, swings and roundabout init.

If you intentionally try and elbow someone in the face hitting the ref to boot have you really got an arguement against having a point taken away?

[Gandalf]

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

That's because there are a lot of stupid and uninformed Khan haters on the internet Miles. It was an intentional foul. Are you, the great moral guardian of integrity and fair conduct actually saying that a person should only be punished for an intentional misdeed if they successfully pull it off? Surely not!

What about a politician who gets caught when he falsely claims for a mortgage allowance on a property he has already cleared the mortgage on, or an angry student who hurls a fire exstinguisher from the top of a building at a police officer below but misses. Should they be let off because their intentional crimes were unsuccessful?

Oh the hypocrisy

lol,

If Khan had thrown the elbow miles would be outraged that Cortez hadn't chucked him out the fight. And would be ranting and raving about Khan being such a despicable human being.

He'd see it as a sign of his moral decline since moving to America and probably even mixing with zionists over there.

If Khan had done it my response would have been much the same. If it hadn't of made an impact on Maidana then how could you be outraged? No fighter should be penalised for slightly losing his cool the one time. Even Tyson was given a second chance to munch on an ear, this was hardly that.

[Rantcatrat]

I agree with Miles. I thought Cortez shouldn't have deducted a point for the elbow that him. I also thought Cortez did a crappy job in general with the fight.

[Gandalf]

I dont like Cortez but I think he did Maidana a few favours also in that fight. Maidana carried on clubbing after a break was called several times and nowt happened, swings and roundabout init.

If you intentionally try and elbow someone in the face hitting the ref to boot have you really got an arguement against having a point taken away?

I would also question when the breaks were called. A lot of them were far too early. Cortez was just far too inconsistent. He took an age to get involved when Khan was twisting Maidana's arms late and yet would jump in just as they were getting close early on. It was strange officiating. Maidana just wanted the chance to get his punches off when in close.

[Fenster]

I laughed when I saw the elbow because Maidana had been caught bang to rights. If Cortez had seen the blantant maneuvre he'd have probably warned him but the fact it HIT him. Fucks sake... can't believe so many people think taking a point was a wrong 'un