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    Default Re: Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana And Abner Mares vs Vic Darchinyan My Scorecards.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Abner Mares is one of my favorite upcoming fighters, now he's gone up even more in my book. Alot of heart shown from Abner Mares. Despite all that went again him with the Knockdown, Cut, Point Deduction.

    1 Mares 10-9
    2 Darchinyan 10-8
    3 Darchinyan 10-9
    4 Even round because of the point deduction 9-9
    5 Mares 10-9
    6 Darchinyan 10-9
    7 Mares 10-8
    8 Darchinyan 10-9
    9 Mares 10-9
    10 Mares 10-9
    11 Mares 10-9
    12 Mares 10-9

    114-111 Abner Mares

    1 Khan 10-8
    2 Khan 10-9
    3 Maidana 10-9
    4 Khan 10-9
    5 Khan 10-8
    6 Maidana 10-9
    7 Maidana 10-9
    8 Khan 10-9
    9 Khan 10-9
    10 Maidana 10-8
    11 Maidana 10-9
    12 Maidana 10-9

    113-112 Amir Khan


    Fight was alot closer than i remember, had Macos Maidana not of had a point deducted. It would of been a draw IMO. No way Amir Khan won any of the championship rounds, i don't know what some of you guys are watching.

    Amir Khan basically was on the backfoot the whole round, and except for a few flurries. Marcos Maidana was the aggressor and outlanded Amir Khan, and controlled the round more.
    I think you need some glasses mate. No way Maidana won round 11. Landed practically nothing. Khan landed one spectacular uppercut and around 3 or 4 flurries.
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    Default Re: Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana And Abner Mares vs Vic Darchinyan My Scorecards.

    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Abner Mares is one of my favorite upcoming fighters, now he's gone up even more in my book. Alot of heart shown from Abner Mares. Despite all that went again him with the Knockdown, Cut, Point Deduction.

    1 Mares 10-9
    2 Darchinyan 10-8
    3 Darchinyan 10-9
    4 Even round because of the point deduction 9-9
    5 Mares 10-9
    6 Darchinyan 10-9
    7 Mares 10-8
    8 Darchinyan 10-9
    9 Mares 10-9
    10 Mares 10-9
    11 Mares 10-9
    12 Mares 10-9

    114-111 Abner Mares

    1 Khan 10-8
    2 Khan 10-9
    3 Maidana 10-9
    4 Khan 10-9
    5 Khan 10-8
    6 Maidana 10-9
    7 Maidana 10-9
    8 Khan 10-9
    9 Khan 10-9
    10 Maidana 10-8
    11 Maidana 10-9
    12 Maidana 10-9

    113-112 Amir Khan


    Fight was alot closer than i remember, had Macos Maidana not of had a point deducted. It would of been a draw IMO. No way Amir Khan won any of the championship rounds, i don't know what some of you guys are watching.

    Amir Khan basically was on the backfoot the whole round, and except for a few flurries. Marcos Maidana was the aggressor and outlanded Amir Khan, and controlled the round more.
    I think you need some glasses mate. No way Maidana won round 11. Landed practically nothing. Khan landed one spectacular uppercut and around 3 or 4 flurries.
    ICB, I had the exact same scorecard if I recall correctly. Good post.

    Ono, see the below links.

    Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana - CompuBox Stats

    CompuBox at Ringside: Khan-Maidana, Ortiz-Peterson - Boxing News

    A Note on Khan vs. Maidana: Overly Involved Joe Cortez - Boxing News

    Maidana landed about twice as many punches as Khan per round in rounds 10-12. Khan's output dropped by half from rounds 1-9 and rounds 10-12. Maidana controlled the pace of those rounds. Khan retreated. It's tough to win a round if you are retreating the whole time. I'll rewatch it though just to make sure.
    Last edited by Rantcatrat; 12-13-2010 at 08:57 PM.

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    Default Re: Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana And Abner Mares vs Vic Darchinyan My Scorecards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Abner Mares is one of my favorite upcoming fighters, now he's gone up even more in my book. Alot of heart shown from Abner Mares. Despite all that went again him with the Knockdown, Cut, Point Deduction.

    1 Mares 10-9
    2 Darchinyan 10-8
    3 Darchinyan 10-9
    4 Even round because of the point deduction 9-9
    5 Mares 10-9
    6 Darchinyan 10-9
    7 Mares 10-8
    8 Darchinyan 10-9
    9 Mares 10-9
    10 Mares 10-9
    11 Mares 10-9
    12 Mares 10-9

    114-111 Abner Mares

    1 Khan 10-8
    2 Khan 10-9
    3 Maidana 10-9
    4 Khan 10-9
    5 Khan 10-8
    6 Maidana 10-9
    7 Maidana 10-9
    8 Khan 10-9
    9 Khan 10-9
    10 Maidana 10-8
    11 Maidana 10-9
    12 Maidana 10-9

    113-112 Amir Khan


    Fight was alot closer than i remember, had Macos Maidana not of had a point deducted. It would of been a draw IMO. No way Amir Khan won any of the championship rounds, i don't know what some of you guys are watching.

    Amir Khan basically was on the backfoot the whole round, and except for a few flurries. Marcos Maidana was the aggressor and outlanded Amir Khan, and controlled the round more.
    I think you need some glasses mate. No way Maidana won round 11. Landed practically nothing. Khan landed one spectacular uppercut and around 3 or 4 flurries.
    ICB, I had the exact same scorecard if I recall correctly. Good post.

    Ono, see the below links.

    Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana - CompuBox Stats

    CompuBox at Ringside: Khan-Maidana, Ortiz-Peterson - Boxing News

    A Note on Khan vs. Maidana: Overly Involved Joe Cortez - Boxing News

    Maidana landed about twice as many punches as Khan per round in rounds 10-12. Khan's output dropped by half from rounds 1-9 and rounds 10-12. Maidana controlled the pace of those rounds. Khan retreated. It's tough to win a round if you are retreating the whole time.
    It's not all about punchstats though. Khan threw nothing for the first minute and a half, but when he did he caught with crisp, flush shots. Maidana did nothing apart from walk forward, Khan blocked everything. I'm not saying your wrong to give it to Maidana, but it wasn't a bad round for Khan. To me he showed real maturity in that round and got his head back together and then came back firing.

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    Default Re: Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana And Abner Mares vs Vic Darchinyan My Scorecards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Abner Mares is one of my favorite upcoming fighters, now he's gone up even more in my book. Alot of heart shown from Abner Mares. Despite all that went again him with the Knockdown, Cut, Point Deduction.

    1 Mares 10-9
    2 Darchinyan 10-8
    3 Darchinyan 10-9
    4 Even round because of the point deduction 9-9
    5 Mares 10-9
    6 Darchinyan 10-9
    7 Mares 10-8
    8 Darchinyan 10-9
    9 Mares 10-9
    10 Mares 10-9
    11 Mares 10-9
    12 Mares 10-9

    114-111 Abner Mares

    1 Khan 10-8
    2 Khan 10-9
    3 Maidana 10-9
    4 Khan 10-9
    5 Khan 10-8
    6 Maidana 10-9
    7 Maidana 10-9
    8 Khan 10-9
    9 Khan 10-9
    10 Maidana 10-8
    11 Maidana 10-9
    12 Maidana 10-9

    113-112 Amir Khan


    Fight was alot closer than i remember, had Macos Maidana not of had a point deducted. It would of been a draw IMO. No way Amir Khan won any of the championship rounds, i don't know what some of you guys are watching.

    Amir Khan basically was on the backfoot the whole round, and except for a few flurries. Marcos Maidana was the aggressor and outlanded Amir Khan, and controlled the round more.
    I think you need some glasses mate. No way Maidana won round 11. Landed practically nothing. Khan landed one spectacular uppercut and around 3 or 4 flurries.
    ICB, I had the exact same scorecard if I recall correctly. Good post.

    Ono, see the below links.

    Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana - CompuBox Stats

    CompuBox at Ringside: Khan-Maidana, Ortiz-Peterson - Boxing News

    A Note on Khan vs. Maidana: Overly Involved Joe Cortez - Boxing News

    Maidana landed about twice as many punches as Khan per round in rounds 10-12. Khan's output dropped by half from rounds 1-9 and rounds 10-12. Maidana controlled the pace of those rounds. Khan retreated. It's tough to win a round if you are retreating the whole time.
    It's not all about punchstats though. Khan threw nothing for the first minute and a half, but when he did he caught with crisp, flush shots. Maidana did nothing apart from walk forward, Khan blocked everything. I'm not saying your wrong to give it to Maidana, but it wasn't a bad round for Khan. To me he showed real maturity in that round and got his head back together and then came back firing.
    He might have done. But Khan still landed the much cleaner shots.
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    Default Re: Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana And Abner Mares vs Vic Darchinyan My Scorecards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    ICB, I had the exact same scorecard if I recall correctly. Good post.

    Ono, see the below links.

    Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana - CompuBox Stats

    CompuBox at Ringside: Khan-Maidana, Ortiz-Peterson - Boxing News

    A Note on Khan vs. Maidana: Overly Involved Joe Cortez - Boxing News

    Maidana landed about twice as many punches as Khan per round in rounds 10-12. Khan's output dropped by half from rounds 1-9 and rounds 10-12. Maidana controlled the pace of those rounds. Khan retreated. It's tough to win a round if you are retreating the whole time.
    It's not all about punchstats though. Khan threw nothing for the first minute and a half, but when he did he caught with crisp, flush shots. Maidana did nothing apart from walk forward, Khan blocked everything. I'm not saying your wrong to give it to Maidana, but it wasn't a bad round for Khan. To me he showed real maturity in that round and got his head back together and then came back firing.
    I agree that it is not all about punch stats although they definitely play a role in scoring. Although Maidana outlanded Khan by 2x in that round, another reason why I gave that round to Maidana was that he controlled the pace of the round.

    It's not only that Khan didn't do anything for most of the round as you said or that, to me, it's more that he spent the round retreating. A round full of retreating with only one, maybe two, strong flurries doesn't win a round for me especially when the other guy is outlanding by two times the amount and controlling the pace.

    Listen, I'll be the first to say that he deserves props for withstanding Maidana's final onslaught. He showed a ton of heart in that 11th round too. He could have given up. It was a necessary round for Khan, even a smart round for Khan. We can agree to disagree.

    What did the official judges think?

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    Default Re: Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana And Abner Mares vs Vic Darchinyan My Scorecards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    ICB, I had the exact same scorecard if I recall correctly. Good post.

    Ono, see the below links.

    Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana - CompuBox Stats

    CompuBox at Ringside: Khan-Maidana, Ortiz-Peterson - Boxing News

    A Note on Khan vs. Maidana: Overly Involved Joe Cortez - Boxing News

    Maidana landed about twice as many punches as Khan per round in rounds 10-12. Khan's output dropped by half from rounds 1-9 and rounds 10-12. Maidana controlled the pace of those rounds. Khan retreated. It's tough to win a round if you are retreating the whole time.
    It's not all about punchstats though. Khan threw nothing for the first minute and a half, but when he did he caught with crisp, flush shots. Maidana did nothing apart from walk forward, Khan blocked everything. I'm not saying your wrong to give it to Maidana, but it wasn't a bad round for Khan. To me he showed real maturity in that round and got his head back together and then came back firing.
    I agree that it is not all about punch stats although they definitely play a role in scoring. Although Maidana outlanded Khan by 2x in that round, another reason why I gave that round to Maidana was that he controlled the pace of the round.

    It's not only that Khan didn't do anything for most of the round as you said or that, to me, it's more that he spent the round retreating. A round full of retreating with only one, maybe two, strong flurries doesn't win a round for me especially when the other guy is outlanding by two times the amount and controlling the pace.

    Listen, I'll be the first to say that he deserves props for withstanding Maidana's final onslaught. He showed a ton of heart in that 11th round too. He could have given up. It was a necessary round for Khan, even a smart round for Khan. We can agree to disagree.

    What did the official judges think?
    Bizarrely I believe the three judges gave Maidana the 11th but Jerry Roth gave Khan the 12th. I don't see that, I though Maidana won the last round. To me though Maidana just walked forward and did nothing in the 11th.

    But it's what you like at the end of the day. I think it was the only difficult round to score in the whole fight, and regardless of who you give it to Khan still emerges the winner so not a big deal in the scale of things.

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    Default Re: Amir Khan vs Marcos Maidana And Abner Mares vs Vic Darchinyan My Scorecards.

    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Abner Mares is one of my favorite upcoming fighters, now he's gone up even more in my book. Alot of heart shown from Abner Mares. Despite all that went again him with the Knockdown, Cut, Point Deduction.

    1 Mares 10-9
    2 Darchinyan 10-8
    3 Darchinyan 10-9
    4 Even round because of the point deduction 9-9
    5 Mares 10-9
    6 Darchinyan 10-9
    7 Mares 10-8
    8 Darchinyan 10-9
    9 Mares 10-9
    10 Mares 10-9
    11 Mares 10-9
    12 Mares 10-9

    114-111 Abner Mares

    1 Khan 10-8
    2 Khan 10-9
    3 Maidana 10-9
    4 Khan 10-9
    5 Khan 10-8
    6 Maidana 10-9
    7 Maidana 10-9
    8 Khan 10-9
    9 Khan 10-9
    10 Maidana 10-8
    11 Maidana 10-9
    12 Maidana 10-9

    113-112 Amir Khan


    Fight was alot closer than i remember, had Macos Maidana not of had a point deducted. It would of been a draw IMO. No way Amir Khan won any of the championship rounds, i don't know what some of you guys are watching.

    Amir Khan basically was on the backfoot the whole round, and except for a few flurries. Marcos Maidana was the aggressor and outlanded Amir Khan, and controlled the round more.
    I think you need some glasses mate. No way Maidana won round 11. Landed practically nothing. Khan landed one spectacular uppercut and around 3 or 4 flurries.
    Well i could say the same mate, i think Marcos Maidana for certain won the championship rounds no question. Just my opinion and the punchstats mean nothing.

    Infact this fight scoring wise reminded me of ODLH vs Felix Trinidad. ODLH with a 6 rounds to 3 lead going into the last 3 rounds. With Felix Trinidad sweeping the last 3 rounds making it a draw in most people's eyes.

    And going by the punchstats in that fight. You'd think ODLH won by a landslide. But the rounds Marcos Maidana won he may of not landed loads of punches, except in the 10th round.

    But he was rocking and reeling Amir Khan in the rounds he won, and the rounds he did win were quite clear rounds. Just like Amir Khan's rounds he won, and Bilbo seems to be right with the 11th round being the most debatable.

    But no doubt in my mind that Marcos Maidana won the last 3 rounds.

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