B-Hop Vs Jean Pascal Spoilers.

[0james0]

I missed it all as was partying. Controversy aside, was it a good fight?

Not often you see Hop down twice! You just can't keep that man down though!

[ono]

I missed it all as was partying. Controversy aside, was it a good fight?

Not often you see Hop down twice! You just can't keep that man down though!

I don't think they were really clean knockdowns. First was borderline behind the head/ear. Second was better, but still a little scrappy. More of a balance thing.

It was an interesting fight though.

[Dizaster]

I havn't seen the fight yet, but it sounds really like B-hop was hard done by...

Mainly in the respect that he obviously lost because the 2 knockdowns really put him behind on points, but to come back from that and dominate almost the entire rest of the fight to be a draw in score on 2 people's cards, that guy has got to deserve the win more than someone who got lucky for 2 or 3 rounds at the start of the fight...

Even though when it goes the full 12 rounds, points are everything, if you ignore the scoring, I doesn't sound like anyone would argue with the fact Hopkins clearly won the fight......

But every boxer knows, do everything you possibly can to keep it out of the judges hands, because anything can happen from that point.. And it's all out of your control... Sounds like Hopkins tried to do that, and Pascal rested on his 2 knockdowns...
So from that perspective alone, I support the word "robbery"..

But in a close fight where 1 or 2 points max separate the fighters, it's kinda fair it going either way.... But definitely sounds like Hopkins deserved it more..

[Kev]

I havn't seen the fight yet, but it sounds really like B-hop was hard done by...

Mainly in the respect that he obviously lost because the 2 knockdowns really put him behind on points, but to come back from that and dominate almost the entire rest of the fight to be a draw in score on 2 people's cards, that guy has got to deserve the win more than someone who got lucky for 2 or 3 rounds at the start of the fight...

Even though when it goes the full 12 rounds, points are everything, if you ignore the scoring, I doesn't sound like anyone would argue with the fact Hopkins clearly won the fight......

But every boxer knows, do everything you possibly can to keep it out of the judges hands, because anything can happen from that point.. And it's all out of your control... Sounds like Hopkins tried to do that, and Pascal rested on his 2 knockdowns...
So from that perspective alone, I support the word "robbery"..

But in a close fight where 1 or 2 points max separate the fighters, it's kinda fair it going either way.... But definitely sounds like Hopkins deserved it more..

Yeah he did deserve it more, but it's getting carried away to call it a robbery imo. When you get putdown twice, on foreign soil, in your opponent's backyward it's always going to be an uphill struggle.

The scores of the judges, two draws and one win for Hopkins testify to how close he came to pulling it off.

I thought he won, he is without doubt the moral winner, but to call it a robbery is overstating.

A drawn fight that was a robbery was the first Funeka Guzman fight. Guzman dominated by Funeka and somehow scraped a draw. I thought the Ortiz Peterson drawn was more controversial also. Both Funeka and Ortiz more clearly won that Hopkins imo.

Take away the knockdowns however and Hopkins DID dominate virtually every round. But losing two 10-8 rounds is such a big obstacle to overcome overseas for any fighter.

[ICB]

I just watched it and it was a very easy fight to score, in my mind B-Hop was robbed. Yes he was floored twice, the 1st knockdown being borederline rabbit shot. But he still won 9 rounds quite easily IMO.

1 Pascal 10-8
2 Pascal 10-9
3 Pascal 10-8
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Hopkins 10-9
6 Hopkins 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Hopkins 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Hopkins 10-9
12 Hopkins 10-9

115-111 B-Hop

[Kev]

I just watched it and it was a very easy fight to score, in my mind B-Hop was robbed. Yes he was floored twice, the 1st knockdown being borederline rabbit shot. But he still won 9 rounds quite easily IMO.

1 Pascal 10-8
2 Pascal 10-9
3 Pascal 10-8
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Hopkins 10-9
6 Hopkins 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Hopkins 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Hopkins 10-9
12 Hopkins 10-9

115-111 B-Hop

I haven't watched it again yet although may well agree with your scores. I've seen a few people say Pascal won the 5th, and maybe edged the 12th though which would level it up. No doubt Hopkins was the moral winner. Pascal must be feeling pretty bad today, being humiliated by a 45 year old man.

[Gandalf]

I just watched it and it was a very easy fight to score, in my mind B-Hop was robbed. Yes he was floored twice, the 1st knockdown being borederline rabbit shot. But he still won 9 rounds quite easily IMO.

1 Pascal 10-8
2 Pascal 10-9
3 Pascal 10-8
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Hopkins 10-9
6 Hopkins 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Hopkins 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Hopkins 10-9
12 Hopkins 10-9

115-111 B-Hop

I haven't watched it again yet although may well agree with your scores. I've seen a few people say Pascal won the 5th, and maybe edged the 12th though which would level it up. No doubt Hopkins was the moral winner. Pascal must be feeling pretty bad today, being humiliated by a 45 year old man.

I haven't rewatched it either, but imagine I would have something like that too. I was supporting Pascal, but he just wouldn't do anything and allowed himself to be outworked by someone old enough to be his dad. It was a lame showing. I had never realised Pascal's stamina was quite so shit. Bit of a Judah thing going on.

[generalbulldog]

I also had Hopkins winning every round after the 3rd. I also had Hopkins winning the 1st very clearly until he was dropped by the hit behind the head. If that hadn't occurred Hopkins would have won 10 out of 12 rounds. Overall B-Hop won 9 out of 12 clearly.

So no way was this fight close, only close because of the scoring system of boxing. When 1 guy gets outboxed for 9 out of 12 rounds, no way is that close. From punch output to punch landed to ring generalship and to sheer dominance and will, it was 1 sided in favor of Hopkins.

[ICB]

I also had Hopkins winning every round after the 3rd. I also had Hopkins winning the 1st very clearly until he was dropped by the hit behind the head. If that hadn't occurred Hopkins would have won 10 out of 12 rounds. Overall B-Hop won 9 out of 12 clearly.

So no way was this fight close, only close because of the scoring system of boxing. When 1 guy gets outboxed for 9 out of 12 rounds, no way is that close. From punch output to punch landed to ring generalship and to sheer dominance and will, it was 1 sided in favor of Hopkins.

Totally agree that's the reason i had JMM winning vs Manny Pacquiao in there 1st fight. Because despite the bad start he still won 8 rounds clearly vs Manny Pacquiao, and i don't see how you cannot win a fight winning almost 3 quarters of the 12 rounds, and in B-Hop's case he actually did.

[CFH]

I just watched it and it was a very easy fight to score, in my mind B-Hop was robbed. Yes he was floored twice, the 1st knockdown being borederline rabbit shot. But he still won 9 rounds quite easily IMO.

1 Pascal 10-8
2 Pascal 10-9
3 Pascal 10-8
4 Hopkins 10-9
5 Hopkins 10-9
6 Hopkins 10-9
7 Hopkins 10-9
8 Hopkins 10-9
9 Hopkins 10-9
10 Hopkins 10-9
11 Hopkins 10-9
12 Hopkins 10-9

115-111 B-Hop

I had the same score, though I thought there were two close rounds that hypothetically could be scored for Pascal.

[milmascaras1]

i think bernard hopkins was definitely robbed. like i said, americans cannot get a fair shake in canada, argentina or anywhere in asia. aside from those two flash knockdowns hopkins suffered, the fight wasn't even close. just goes to show how little boxing these idiot judges from canada know. this fight reminded me scoring wise of the marquez/pacquiao I fight. after that first round, marquez took the fight to pacquiao, out thought him, out worked him, out punched him, schooled him and still those blind judges ruled it a draw.

[Kev]

It seems like the contested round is round 10.

Boxing - Schaefer demands rematch


Apparently the Belgium judge gave the 10th round even when it was clearly a Hopkins round. Golden Boy saying they will sue if Pascal tries to dodge a rematch.........