calzaghe v hopkins

[Fenster]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

[:::PSL:::]

I saw their HBO pre-fight special.

Calzaghe throws 9 punches per second.



I'm like "no way, those aren't real punches. They're more like drum roll on a real tight snare drumhead".

[Chrislfc17]

Such a horrible fight to watch but I had Calzaghe winning. Hopkins just couldn't deal with Joe after the 4th/5th round that night. That's not too say that a younger Hopkins wouldn't have been able to deal with him but who knows what was to happen later in the fight if it wasn't for Hopkins continuously cheating. He obviously felt the need to buy some time by faking low blows so if the ref didn't call them (Cortez again.. ) then would Hopkins have been able to last the pace?

Calzaghe wasn't the most technically gifted fighter in the world but he had a skill of knowing what to do to win a fight.

[Violent Demise]

I saw their HBO pre-fight special.

Calzaghe throws 9 punches per second.



I'm like "no way, those aren't real punches. They're more like drum roll on a real tight snare drumhead".

I'm sure the coke he sniffed had something to do with that

[amat]

I had it 114-113 Hopkins. It was a good fight, but I thought Hopkins won the fight clearly. Calzaghe won some rounds on volume but really did not land much meaningful.

Then I took points from Calzaghe for being English and for that RIDICULOUS 9 punches a second thing! Unreal. I need to find the video Sal made to that.

[amat]

[No Contest]

LOL, at about 10 seconds in I chuckled. Devastating shots! Almost as brutal as the barrage that stopped Manfredo in his tracks.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Then I took points from Calzaghe for being English

''Pound a wuuuuhhh''

[NUCLEAR BULL]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

[Fenster]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

[Kev]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

I don't think you're understanding the gravity of what he is saying mate. He's ex fighter. You're just a fat civilian who looks a bit like Shuan Murphy.

When you've laced up a pair of gloves and hit the heavybag at your community youth centre then your opinion might stand for something. Right now you are as much an authority of boxing as Miles is on Middle East issues.

[Gandalf]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

I don't think you're understanding the gravity of what he is saying mate. He's ex fighter. You're just a fat civilian who looks a bit like Shuan Murphy.

When you've laced up a pair of gloves and hit the heavybag at your community youth centre then your opinion might stand for something. Right now you are as much an authority of boxing as Miles is on Middle East issues.

What an incredibly dumb argument. That's like saying you cannot be an expert on WW1 history unless you have actually fought in the actual war. Of course actual experience would count, but if the combatant were an illiterate pleb with no ability to formulate a cogent argument, then surely that would place the academic who is able to interpret documents and evidence on a much higher pedestal.

As someone who follows boxing as closely as Fenster does, his opinion is as valid as anyone elses. And just as valid as Butterbeans too for that matter.

You are a silly, silly man.

[Gandalf]

I think compubox is defective, but it is doesn't just formulate numbers randomly. Calzaghe was clearly landing on Hopkins, but I question the total figures that compubox offers us, but I think Calzaghe clearly outlanded Hopkins by a fair margin and won a relatively close fight.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

and yo fenster......enzo told me that every punch hopkins landed WAS LIKE A SLEDGEHAMMER....in fact hopkins hit joe so hard so so quick so many times that calzaghe thought he was surrounded hahaha....hopkins was so quick it broke all compubox gadjets, the poeple doing the counting passed out wet there bets and now get treatment everytime the see numbers hahahaha

merry xmas the present with calzaghe stuck on it is from me

[Kev]

Hopkins "clean effective punching" is exaggerated by his lack of success in the fight.

Look at these very revealing statistics from Hopkins last eight fights. Apart from the fact that Calzaghe hit Hopkins MORE times than any other fighter in history (I know, all those punches don't count ), the stats highlight that Hopkins had more trouble effectively hitting Calzaghe than any other fighter he faced.

Hopkins - 130/317, (35%) Taylor - 124 of 391, (32%)
Hopkins - 133/417, (32%) Tarver - 78/437, (18%)
Hopkins - 152/640, (24%) Wright - 167/618 (27%)
Hopkins - 127/468, (27%) Calzaghe - 232/707 (33%)
Hopkins - 172/530, (32% ) Pavlik - 108/463 (23%)
Hopkins - 205/497 (41%) Ornelas - 113/508 (22%)
Hopkins - 185/526 (35%) Jones - 82/274 (30%)
Hopkins - 171/445 (38%) Pascal - 105/353 (29%)

Cazlaghe simply stopped Hopkins game. He should surely get credit for that? And it obviously highlights why the MAJORITY saw Calzaghe win the fight

no way joe landed 232 in that fight noway........ like i've siad before its more 150...170 if i count someother pity patters.......look there are plenty of guys here who are or where boxer......me being one of them, as a ex fighter i'm telling you 232 is not the total....compubox is someone in the crowd with a counter in there hand clicking it everytime they think a punch is thrown.....that night must have been a bad night for who ever counted joes landed punches.....theres a big diff to punching and touching....that night joe touched hopkins plenty lol but punched him 155ish

So ex-fighters can count better than normal humans? Tell me this then, as an expert ex-fighter, would you have landed 232, sorry i mean 170 punches on Hopkins, which is still MORE than any other fighter?

Your superior ex-fighter counting ability still makes Calzaghe more successful than anyone else. And doesn't change the fact that Hopkins found Calzaghe harder to hit than anyone else. Fact.

I don't think you're understanding the gravity of what he is saying mate. He's ex fighter. You're just a fat civilian who looks a bit like Shuan Murphy.

When you've laced up a pair of gloves and hit the heavybag at your community youth centre then your opinion might stand for something. Right now you are as much an authority of boxing as Miles is on Middle East issues.

What an incredibly dumb argument. That's like saying you cannot be an expert on WW1 history unless you have actually fought in the actual war. Of course actual experience would count, but if the combatant were an illiterate pleb with no ability to formulate a cogent argument, then surely that would place the academic who is able to interpret documents and evidence on a much higher pedestal.

As someone who follows boxing as closely as Fenster does, his opinion is as valid as anyone elses. And just as valid as Butterbeans too for that matter.

You are a silly, silly man.

hahahahaha Miles is clearly so wound up and agitated by his self imposed politics ban that he's not even reading posts properly and cannot detect even the most obvious of sarcasms.

Read it again Miles, I'm not mocking Fenster, I'm mocking the guy who said he knew more because he was a fighter

PS, some good political threads planned for later, the Obama revival, and mounting evidence of a nuclear arms pact between North Korea and Iran. They will wind you mightily, but sadly you cannot have an opinion until February.