The new Valero

[JT Rock]

and you determined that from what? the 3 kd's Pacquiao scored on him and how he got up from ALL of them, same thing in the rematch, and against Mayweather and Katsidis

Sure but you dont get hit that cleanly and that many times buy a guy like Edwin Valero. He was a ferocious puncher and not the kind of guy you get into a fire fight with. It would not have been a flash Knock down.

JMM would have fought Valero alot different than Kats, thats my point