Pacquiao Should KO Mosley to Prove he is better than Mayweather

[miron_lang]

I don't understand how he has managed to carry that speed, power and output and along the way barely flinches when hit by much bigger men. .

A - Side Meth?



I Believe Roberto Duran went on to beat a relatively BIG Middleweight in Iran Barkley starting from Bantamweight. How Duran did it might give you some hints on the reasons on how is it possible.

[Gandalf]

I don't understand how he has managed to carry that speed, power and output and along the way barely flinches when hit by much bigger men. .

A - Side Meth?



I Believe Roberto Duran went on to beat a relatively BIG Middleweight in Iran Barkley starting from Bantamweight. How Duran did it might give you some hints on the reasons on how is it possible.

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

[miron_lang]

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

Miles

I have to remind you that the TESTING Floyd was offering WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE. I hope you got it now. OLYMPIC STYLE is YEAR round. Floyd's offer and the one he took with Mosley WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE because it wasnt YEAR ROUND.

The Duration of What Floyd and Shane took was just for a few months covering their contract.

[Gandalf]

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

Miles

I have to remind you that the TESTING Floyd was offering WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE. I hope you got it now. OLYMPIC STYLE is YEAR round. Floyd's offer and the one he took with Mosley WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE because it wasnt YEAR ROUND.

The Duration of What Floyd and Shane took was just for a few months covering their contract.

The same kind of testing that was used for Mosley/Mayweather then. The kind where they check the blood in addition to urine.

[toto]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

fair point with the glove size to a point.

but what if pacman wears different gloves to mayweather against mosley then surely it defeats the object of this discussion. judging who is the better fighter when looking at common opponents has to be done on performance only, not everyone on this site will know the size of gloves, boots worn or everything else that must be taken in to consideration.

I get the point you are trying to make though. had mayweather been wearing 8oz gloves would he have blasted hatton out too? possibly, but then you have to look at both their performances against JMM again. What size gloves were they each wearing? did this affect pacs performance was he wearing different gloves to mayweather?

[:::PSL:::]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

fair point with the glove size to a point.

but what if pacman wears different gloves to mayweather against mosley then surely it defeats the object of this discussion. judging who is the better fighter when looking at common opponents has to be done on performance only, not everyone on this site will know the size of gloves, boots worn or everything else that must be taken in to consideration.

I get the point you are trying to make though. had mayweather been wearing 8oz gloves would he have blasted hatton out too? possibly, but then you have to look at both their performances against JMM again. What size gloves were they each wearing? did this affect pacs performance was he wearing different gloves to mayweather?

Impossible. Floyd would have shattered his fragile hands.

[DaxxKahn]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

good post.

right now the way things are looking i agree floyd needs manny but long term the way they will be viewed 30 yrs from now they will both be criticised for not fighting each other. they will both be recognised as greats but they will damage their legacies if they dont put all the BS to 1 side and get it on.

also agree on your comments to toto, too many holes in that argument.

[bzkfn]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

Daxx I disagree that the only way for Floyd to take the mantle from Manny is to beat him in the ring. Floyd was "the man" before Manny, and Pacquiao never beat him in the ring to become top dog. To become P4P #1, he went about things his own way. If Floyd were to say jump up and beat Sergio Martinez, I think you'd be hard pushed to argue that their positions in the P4P list would be debatable.

[miron_lang]

The same kind of testing that was used for Mosley/Mayweather then. The kind where they check the blood in addition to urine.

I was hoping Manny would agree to anything Floyd asks as well. just for the fight to get made.


but Manny's pride is comparable to that of Floyd so this fight might not happen.

[LukeH]

To be honest I dont think Pac can 'prove' he's better than Mayweather and vice versa, unless they fight each other. Otherwise it's all subjective. One can probably end up saying that he's 'greater' due to records and acheivements and what not, but that doesn't neccessarily make a better, more skilled boxer.

As for knocking out Mosley, he's knocked out or TKO'd other fighters after Floyd fought them... they have different styles, end of.

[toto]

As long as Mayweather would not fight Pacquiao, the Mayweather-Pacquaio who-is- the- best- of- em- all would just be become subjective. And we can't do anythin' if people try to compare how each of em (Shane and Manny) fares to Mayweather.
It's like a poser: WHAT WOULD HAPPENED IF MANNY GOT A SPLIT DECISION WITH SHANE? OR SHANE KO'D HIM?
We can not avoid people dissing Manny as an inferior boxer than Shane despite both of them did not duke with each other. That's their opinion. That's subjective.

[foxbat1126]

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

Miles

I have to remind you that the TESTING Floyd was offering WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE. I hope you got it now. OLYMPIC STYLE is YEAR round. Floyd's offer and the one he took with Mosley WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE because it wasnt YEAR ROUND.

The Duration of What Floyd and Shane took was just for a few months covering their contract.

The same kind of testing that was used for Mosley/Mayweather then. The kind where they check the blood in addition to urine.

Pacquiao willing to Olympic Style testing up to fight night even before the 6th round!!

Excerpts from the article:

Beats, Boxing & Mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting Joshua Clottey?

Pacquiao: [Pauses] Um, no. I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the Mayweather fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What else can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on

[DaxxKahn]

No, I can't just accuse him of that based on Mayweather Snr alone, but I would love to see Manny Pac take Olympic style testing and see if he just as effective. For sure, there are doubts in the back of my mind concerning how Pac has carried his power and speed and is yet more destructive. I don't recall opponents in the lower weight classes having their facial bones smashed in. Pac is defying all logic with how he has performed in the past couple of years. Duran, certainly at MW and beyond was not a murderous puncher. He wasn't breaking faces or knocking people unconscious like Pac has been doing.

I would like to see top level boxing be monitored more closely as we have seen fighters like Mosley and Toney admit to or get caught using illegal substances. Olympic style testing is the only way to make sure. There is no reason for loopholes to exist where fighters might well be performing on drugs.

Miles

I have to remind you that the TESTING Floyd was offering WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE. I hope you got it now. OLYMPIC STYLE is YEAR round. Floyd's offer and the one he took with Mosley WASNT OLYMPIC STYLE because it wasnt YEAR ROUND.

The Duration of What Floyd and Shane took was just for a few months covering their contract.

The same kind of testing that was used for Mosley/Mayweather then. The kind where they check the blood in addition to urine.

Pacquiao willing to Olympic Style testing up to fight night even before the 6th round!!

Excerpts from the article:

Beats, Boxing & Mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting Joshua Clottey?

Pacquiao: [Pauses] Um, no. I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the Mayweather fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What else can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on

Pretty flat out response on that one from Manny....Do you have a link?