Pacquiao Should KO Mosley to Prove he is better than Mayweather

[Kev]

He will stop Mosley. Not because he's better than Mayweather though. He'll simply have a higher output than Mayweather did. If Mosley gasses after 3 rounds again, i don't even see him making the championship rounds.

What will it prove, if Mosley hit Pacman with a round 2 shot and Pacman don't recover? Will people say then that Mayweather is better then Pacman? I think not!

What if Mayweather beat Cotto into retirement? He's already a scared fighter. Will that make Mayweather better then Pacman? Nope.

What if Mayweather UD Clottey? Again, naw!

Pacman is going to keep running the table if Mayweather don't fight him for whatever reason. The mastermind in Arum is setting up his stable to make all the money in house. If Pacman defeat Mosley(IF), the set-up for a rematch between the winner of Cotto vs Margarito 2(Cotto), for the last quarter of the year is so obvious.

No Berto
No Martinez
No Bradley
No Alexander
No JMM
I would like to even see Pacman fight a young but green Ortiz
or Judah after he win the IBF title in March or April.

Bottom line, is Pacman better then Floyd, we will never know unless. . .
Is Pacman P4P #1? Hell yeah. And I'm a big Floyd fan and Pacman hater!!!

If Mosley knocks Manny out in two rounds of course everyone will say Floyd is better.

[Master]

Just because Manny Pac stops Shane does not make him better fighter than Floyd. They have to fight one another to do that. Manny Pac can stop all of Floys opponents quicker it does not make any difference other than he is a more aggressive fighter.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

If Mosley knocks Manny out in two rounds of course everyone will say Floyd is better.

I think if Mosley knocks Manny out in ANY ROUND posters here (including me) will be saying (I won't be saying but I will be thinking) that Floyd is better. So, why would the reverse not be applicable? Shouldn't something that is applied to one also be applied to the other?

If Manny knocks Mosley out, it would appear that Manny is better. But I agree that this is subjective until Pacquiao and Mayweather fights each other. But then it should be up to Floyd to discredit that Manny appears better than him.

[ono]

Just because Manny Pac stops Shane does not make him better fighter than Floyd. They have to fight one another to do that. Manny Pac can stop all of Floys opponents quicker it does not make any difference other than he is a more aggressive fighter.

Exactly. I can't believe anyone would be dumb enough to even believe that. It's like saying Hatton is better than Mayweather because he ko'd Castillo.

[LukeH]

If Mosley knocks Manny out in two rounds of course everyone will say Floyd is better.

I think if Mosley knocks Manny out in ANY ROUND posters here (including me) will be saying (I won't be saying but I will be thinking) that Floyd is better. So, why would the reverse not be applicable? Shouldn't something that is applied to one also be applied to the other?

If Manny knocks Mosley out, it would appear that Manny is better. But I agree that this is subjective until Pacquiao and Mayweather fights each other. But then it would be up to Floyd to discredit that Manny appears better than him.

But why would he appear to be better than Mayweather? I suppose it could show that he has more power and is more aggressive than Mayweather, but that doesn't make him a better boxer.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

If Mosley knocks Manny out in two rounds of course everyone will say Floyd is better.

I think if Mosley knocks Manny out in ANY ROUND posters here (including me) will be saying (I won't be saying but I will be thinking) that Floyd is better. So, why would the reverse not be applicable? Shouldn't something that is applied to one also be applied to the other?

If Manny knocks Mosley out, it would appear that Manny is better. But I agree that this is subjective until Pacquiao and Mayweather fights each other. But then it would be up to Floyd to discredit that Manny appears better than him.

But why would he appear to be better than Mayweather? I suppose it could show that he has more power and is more aggressive than Mayweather, but that doesn't make him a better boxer.

Those would definitely make a boxer appear better that the other. The key word here is "appear' and is not a statement of fact. We would, probably, have to settle with who APPEARS to be better until they fight which would determine as to who IS better.

[Cressa121]

I expect Pacquiao to TKO Mosley in the later rounds, earlier if Shane gasses like he did against Mayweather. If Naazim was thinking about pulling Mosley out against Mayweather than it shouldn't be surprising if he does pull him out against Pacquiao, who will throw far more punches than Mayweather did. That won't make Pacquiao better than Mayweather, and its seriously flawed logic for anyone to use that as a reason for Pacquiao being the better fighter

[:::PSL:::]

Pac is already better than Floyd. He's the current boxing king p4p. Like Tito, said the ball is firmly on Mayweather's court. He must outdo Pac again. That should this discussion.

I heard Shane had a nose job. Manny should aim on it.

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

fair point with the glove size to a point.

but what if pacman wears different gloves to mayweather against mosley then surely it defeats the object of this discussion. judging who is the better fighter when looking at common opponents has to be done on performance only, not everyone on this site will know the size of gloves, boots worn or everything else that must be taken in to consideration.

I get the point you are trying to make though. had mayweather been wearing 8oz gloves would he have blasted hatton out too? possibly, but then you have to look at both their performances against JMM again. What size gloves were they each wearing? did this affect pacs performance was he wearing different gloves to mayweather?

[:::PSL:::]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

fair point with the glove size to a point.

but what if pacman wears different gloves to mayweather against mosley then surely it defeats the object of this discussion. judging who is the better fighter when looking at common opponents has to be done on performance only, not everyone on this site will know the size of gloves, boots worn or everything else that must be taken in to consideration.

I get the point you are trying to make though. had mayweather been wearing 8oz gloves would he have blasted hatton out too? possibly, but then you have to look at both their performances against JMM again. What size gloves were they each wearing? did this affect pacs performance was he wearing different gloves to mayweather?

Impossible. Floyd would have shattered his fragile hands.

[LukeH]

If Mosley knocks Manny out in two rounds of course everyone will say Floyd is better.

I think if Mosley knocks Manny out in ANY ROUND posters here (including me) will be saying (I won't be saying but I will be thinking) that Floyd is better. So, why would the reverse not be applicable? Shouldn't something that is applied to one also be applied to the other?

If Manny knocks Mosley out, it would appear that Manny is better. But I agree that this is subjective until Pacquiao and Mayweather fights each other. But then it would be up to Floyd to discredit that Manny appears better than him.

But why would he appear to be better than Mayweather? I suppose it could show that he has more power and is more aggressive than Mayweather, but that doesn't make him a better boxer.

Those would definitely make a boxer appear better that the other. The key word here is "appear' and is not a statement of fact. We would, probably, have to settle with who APPEARS to be better until they fight which would determine as to who IS better.

Appear to who? If someone can conjure the thought that something would 'appear' to be one way, surely they can understand the fact that due to the different style of boxing each of them possess, outcomes of their fights with common opponents will be different.

If your talking about the general public/ casual fans then fair enough, but they aren't usually the ones debating poeples all time standings and things like that.

The statistic of having a knockout doesn't prove anything, which is what the thread title suggests.

[DaxxKahn]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

fair point with the glove size to a point.

but what if pacman wears different gloves to mayweather against mosley then surely it defeats the object of this discussion. judging who is the better fighter when looking at common opponents has to be done on performance only, not everyone on this site will know the size of gloves, boots worn or everything else that must be taken in to consideration.

I get the point you are trying to make though. had mayweather been wearing 8oz gloves would he have blasted hatton out too? possibly, but then you have to look at both their performances against JMM again. What size gloves were they each wearing? did this affect pacs performance was he wearing different gloves to mayweather?

Impossible. Floyd would have shattered his fragile hands.

really not the point. I'm saying if we take in to account the gloves being worn against a common opponent in one fight then will have to do it in every fight against a common opponent and that's not really practical. analyzing the fights too deep. performance is all we should be looking at not all the other factors, gloves etc. for every factor you add in to the equation you have to look at other areas of the fight too.

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

good post.

right now the way things are looking i agree floyd needs manny but long term the way they will be viewed 30 yrs from now they will both be criticised for not fighting each other. they will both be recognised as greats but they will damage their legacies if they dont put all the BS to 1 side and get it on.

also agree on your comments to toto, too many holes in that argument.

[Spicoli]

Thats hugger logic Maybe Floyd just softened up Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley so he looks spectacular

Knockouts are overrated at times and fact is though Manny gets props and respect because, well, he's the one actually fighting he'll be meeting Mosley after Mayweather shut him out. I think as long as Pac beats him up nicely...and doesn't get shaken to his heels in round 2...he should get equal acclaim. Its how he fights him and wins, yet to be seen. Think Manny will put himself inside of Mosleys still viable wheel house and can't resist a shoot out...thats why It wouldn't shock me to see Manny on his ass for a moment before its all said and done.