Shadoboxing with weights

[WayneFlint]

Thanks andre thats a good one, i think well try this one if we can do it properly. is there any safety reason why you said for right hand vs right only? once you get the hang of that can you do right vs left ?

When you say sword fight, do you mean to sort of use your forearm on your opponents applying pressure with a push and pull here and there to manipulate their balance distort their shots and create openings? maybe a good idea to throw in some tagging, like tap them with your fingers on the back of the neck or traps as a point to keep it tidy and stop it from turning into a wrestling match, what do you think? maybe be careful for accidental eye gouges? lol

[Youngblood]

As an aside to the strain on joints, in my 2nd year of training (still fairly clueless) I was doing punch outs drills with 5 lb weights, trying to build strength and speed. What I mostly gained, was a hurt lower back from the strain that took the better part of another 2 years to recover from. Even today I still find myself more susceptible to lower back injuries.

There aren't too many short cuts to speed and power. I've learned it is a process of developing the body, and all of it, not just a few specified areas with a few specified drills. Trying to work something like this drill, without a properly built up core, strong legs and upper body ready for the stress it may apply, is nothing short of a recipe for disaster.

[Scrap]

Train the parts of the body where you are Ticklish. the senative areas. They are sensative for a reason.

[pacfan]

Nooops. Punching with weights just adds gravity, or a downward resistance. Why the heck does anyone want to train with downward resistance while punching. It'll help only if you're required to let your 5-year old son hang on your arms during fights. Seriously, it'll probably help if you're training for uppercuts. Remember, a punch, particularly straights and jabs, is forward movement, a thrust. So you want a resistance against that movement. It's better to use one of those pulley-type exercise equipment in the gym, you know the ones with handles with retracting cords attached to them, whatever you call 'em.

Better yet, you should do some isometric excercises, a form of resistance exercise using artificial resistance instead of weights, adapting them for shadow-boxing. But it'll be much better if you perform the ones that develop the whole body, not just punching arms. But that's a whole new topic so do the research yourselves, I'm sure there are plenty of info about it on the net.

Shadow-boxing karate style combined with brisk-walking has been my daily excercise routine for several years. I sit hours for meditation everyday so I need to exercise to keep my circulation going, so I developed my own exercise. Unlike the usual boxing way, my style uses isometric form so it's both a resistance and an aerobic form of exercise rolled into one, which is an ideal form of exercise. And particularly good point about this form is that I can control the intensity of my workout by simple adjusting the intensity on isometric contraction of the muscles I use. Usually I work out at a medium intensity; light intensity when I'm tired or little sick, and high intensity when I feel like it or when I overfed myself. So before I eat an extra piece of rich creamy cake, I ask myself 'am I willing to work for it?' I usually end up just sipping a tea instead.

There's an excellent karate kata, or form exercise, called Sanchin which is a form isometric exercise combined with yoga-type breathing that develop the whole body, as well as punching power. I saw a karate master, a Sanchin master as well, in Okinawa who was in his 50's and yet had a fully ripped, well-chiselled body. I've developed a simplified version of it for non-karate athletes but it's almost impossible for me to teach it online, more so since I'm from a pre-tech generation and I need to at least be able to make some diagram-illustrations for computers to show that, especially the foot movements, and there's no 'kickings' in this exercise so it can be easily adapted for non-karate athletes. Maybe I'll talk about it more when I have time...

[Andre]

Thanks andre thats a good one, i think well try this one if we can do it properly. is there any safety reason why you said for right hand vs right only? once you get the hang of that can you do right vs left ?

When you say sword fight, do you mean to sort of use your forearm on your opponents applying pressure with a push and pull here and there to manipulate their balance distort their shots and create openings? maybe a good idea to throw in some tagging, like tap them with your fingers on the back of the neck or traps as a point to keep it tidy and stop it from turning into a wrestling match, what do you think? maybe be careful for accidental eye gouges? lol

Yeah we used to do it with a relaxed semi gripped hand so fingers didnt come into it.
You got the idea, its a feeling thing you are building up contact reflexes, its just an exercise to link feeling and balance into your brain via reaction is what it does.
You'll be able to read their intentions,once it gets to that stage you can bluff intentions then it becomes like a chess match.
Square shouldered nose to nose with contact to two arms is a touch advanced and could get messy if you hadnt gone the sword fight single arm routine at first.
Its a Wing Chun training regime.Minimal movement is required to get a space a shoot up if you knock an arm out of the way a good practitioner would be around that and smacking you up the outside of that move,its to be started slow and subtle and built up to free style. Eventually some dudes do it blindfolded.

It would eventually give any fighter a great feel for when they can slip past their opponents arms in close.

[WayneFlint]

Thanks andre thats a good one, i think well try this one if we can do it properly. is there any safety reason why you said for right hand vs right only? once you get the hang of that can you do right vs left ?

When you say sword fight, do you mean to sort of use your forearm on your opponents applying pressure with a push and pull here and there to manipulate their balance distort their shots and create openings? maybe a good idea to throw in some tagging, like tap them with your fingers on the back of the neck or traps as a point to keep it tidy and stop it from turning into a wrestling match, what do you think? maybe be careful for accidental eye gouges? lol

Yeah we used to do it with a relaxed semi gripped hand so fingers didnt come into it.
You got the idea, its a feeling thing you are building up contact reflexes, its just an exercise to link feeling and balance into your brain via reaction is what it does.
You'll be able to read their intentions,once it gets to that stage you can bluff intentions then it becomes like a chess match.
Square shouldered nose to nose with contact to two arms is a touch advanced and could get messy if you hadnt gone the sword fight single arm routine at first.
Its a Wing Chun training regime.Minimal movement is required to get a space a shoot up if you knock an arm out of the way a good practitioner would be around that and smacking you up the outside of that move,its to be started slow and subtle and built up to free style. Eventually some dudes do it blindfolded.

It would eventually give any fighter a great feel for when they can slip past their opponents arms in close.

Good stuff andre, thats what i love about boxing, because of the rules and lack of weapons it makes it like a game of chess, good idea about the fingers not getting too involved, keep it sport specific as possible, i like the idea of leg fencing and disrupting footwork, done tidily and developed properly in a subtle manner these could be what im looking for in terms of defence on the inside it could add another layer, and give me a bit more confidence, spot on . Im definently going to be doing this one more aswell as a few other things a bit similair, maybe building up and adding a bit of leg fencing or footwork disruption, work things out a bit see what can be done, its interesting because its not somthing ive looked at much before or thought about but it opens up a whole new realm or level in which you can work your opponent, theres a lot to be thought about in boxing and as an outside fighter i tend to usually think more on the terms of outside work, learning all the time.

i was really surprised when i tried the elbows and found that it worked just as effective as grabbing the head, in muay thai clinching is done similair controlling the head to create openings and walk them into your knees by dissrupting and manipulating their balance. if you control an elbow its suprising how easy it is to move somebody and spin them and it doesnt even look like your doing anything to the untrained eye, is any of it allowed in amature or would you get called for it if it was too obviouse?

[Andre]

Thanks andre thats a good one, i think well try this one if we can do it properly. is there any safety reason why you said for right hand vs right only? once you get the hang of that can you do right vs left ?

When you say sword fight, do you mean to sort of use your forearm on your opponents applying pressure with a push and pull here and there to manipulate their balance distort their shots and create openings? maybe a good idea to throw in some tagging, like tap them with your fingers on the back of the neck or traps as a point to keep it tidy and stop it from turning into a wrestling match, what do you think? maybe be careful for accidental eye gouges? lol

Yeah we used to do it with a relaxed semi gripped hand so fingers didnt come into it.
You got the idea, its a feeling thing you are building up contact reflexes, its just an exercise to link feeling and balance into your brain via reaction is what it does.
You'll be able to read their intentions,once it gets to that stage you can bluff intentions then it becomes like a chess match.
Square shouldered nose to nose with contact to two arms is a touch advanced and could get messy if you hadnt gone the sword fight single arm routine at first.
Its a Wing Chun training regime.Minimal movement is required to get a space a shoot up if you knock an arm out of the way a good practitioner would be around that and smacking you up the outside of that move,its to be started slow and subtle and built up to free style. Eventually some dudes do it blindfolded.

It would eventually give any fighter a great feel for when they can slip past their opponents arms in close.

Good stuff andre, thats what i love about boxing, because of the rules and lack of weapons it makes it like a game of chess, good idea about the fingers not getting too involved, keep it sport specific as possible, i like the idea of leg fencing and disrupting footwork, done tidily and developed properly in a subtle manner these could be what im looking for in terms of defence on the inside it could add another layer, and give me a bit more confidence, spot on . Im definently going to be doing this one more aswell as a few other things a bit similair, maybe building up and adding a bit of leg fencing or footwork disruption, work things out a bit see what can be done, its interesting because its not somthing ive looked at much before or thought about but it opens up a whole new realm or level in which you can work your opponent, theres a lot to be thought about in boxing and as an outside fighter i tend to usually think more on the terms of outside work, learning all the time.

i was really surprised when i tried the elbows and found that it worked just as effective as grabbing the head, in muay thai clinching is done similair controlling the head to create openings and walk them into your knees by dissrupting and manipulating their balance. if you control an elbow its suprising how easy it is to move somebody and spin them and it doesnt even look like your doing anything to the untrained eye, is any of it allowed in amature or would you get called for it if it was too obviouse?

Yeah you would get called for it. Grabs are out, but if you control with one glove while attacking with the other on the way in, then they wont be looking at you suppressing their lead arm if your punch lands with your other hand at exactly the same time.

[Andre]

There is a lot of crap on the net regarding this but these two are practicing chi sao in an advanced way.
Although remember this is a dance of such and an exercise in gaining feelings in contact reflexes. It is a base to sparring and free sparring usually occurs on the end of this type of thing when two practice together and contact is broken.

The arm movements they start with for the first few seconds of each set are predetermined, but the outcomes are not.

You can tell the guy in blue is more advanced, at 124 or so he closes his eyes and turns away and shows what can be achieved.

Watching two of equal freedom go at it blindfolded is interesting to watch but I cant find any online yet.

[Andre]

Actually these two are not too bad at all.

Two hands no eyes is a lot harder than they make it look.