Shadoboxing with weights

[Andre]

Thanks andre thats a good one, i think well try this one if we can do it properly. is there any safety reason why you said for right hand vs right only? once you get the hang of that can you do right vs left ?

When you say sword fight, do you mean to sort of use your forearm on your opponents applying pressure with a push and pull here and there to manipulate their balance distort their shots and create openings? maybe a good idea to throw in some tagging, like tap them with your fingers on the back of the neck or traps as a point to keep it tidy and stop it from turning into a wrestling match, what do you think? maybe be careful for accidental eye gouges? lol

Yeah we used to do it with a relaxed semi gripped hand so fingers didnt come into it.
You got the idea, its a feeling thing you are building up contact reflexes, its just an exercise to link feeling and balance into your brain via reaction is what it does.
You'll be able to read their intentions,once it gets to that stage you can bluff intentions then it becomes like a chess match.
Square shouldered nose to nose with contact to two arms is a touch advanced and could get messy if you hadnt gone the sword fight single arm routine at first.
Its a Wing Chun training regime.Minimal movement is required to get a space a shoot up if you knock an arm out of the way a good practitioner would be around that and smacking you up the outside of that move,its to be started slow and subtle and built up to free style. Eventually some dudes do it blindfolded.

It would eventually give any fighter a great feel for when they can slip past their opponents arms in close.

[WayneFlint]

Thanks andre thats a good one, i think well try this one if we can do it properly. is there any safety reason why you said for right hand vs right only? once you get the hang of that can you do right vs left ?

When you say sword fight, do you mean to sort of use your forearm on your opponents applying pressure with a push and pull here and there to manipulate their balance distort their shots and create openings? maybe a good idea to throw in some tagging, like tap them with your fingers on the back of the neck or traps as a point to keep it tidy and stop it from turning into a wrestling match, what do you think? maybe be careful for accidental eye gouges? lol

Yeah we used to do it with a relaxed semi gripped hand so fingers didnt come into it.
You got the idea, its a feeling thing you are building up contact reflexes, its just an exercise to link feeling and balance into your brain via reaction is what it does.
You'll be able to read their intentions,once it gets to that stage you can bluff intentions then it becomes like a chess match.
Square shouldered nose to nose with contact to two arms is a touch advanced and could get messy if you hadnt gone the sword fight single arm routine at first.
Its a Wing Chun training regime.Minimal movement is required to get a space a shoot up if you knock an arm out of the way a good practitioner would be around that and smacking you up the outside of that move,its to be started slow and subtle and built up to free style. Eventually some dudes do it blindfolded.

It would eventually give any fighter a great feel for when they can slip past their opponents arms in close.

Good stuff andre, thats what i love about boxing, because of the rules and lack of weapons it makes it like a game of chess, good idea about the fingers not getting too involved, keep it sport specific as possible, i like the idea of leg fencing and disrupting footwork, done tidily and developed properly in a subtle manner these could be what im looking for in terms of defence on the inside it could add another layer, and give me a bit more confidence, spot on . Im definently going to be doing this one more aswell as a few other things a bit similair, maybe building up and adding a bit of leg fencing or footwork disruption, work things out a bit see what can be done, its interesting because its not somthing ive looked at much before or thought about but it opens up a whole new realm or level in which you can work your opponent, theres a lot to be thought about in boxing and as an outside fighter i tend to usually think more on the terms of outside work, learning all the time.

i was really surprised when i tried the elbows and found that it worked just as effective as grabbing the head, in muay thai clinching is done similair controlling the head to create openings and walk them into your knees by dissrupting and manipulating their balance. if you control an elbow its suprising how easy it is to move somebody and spin them and it doesnt even look like your doing anything to the untrained eye, is any of it allowed in amature or would you get called for it if it was too obviouse?

[Andre]

Thanks andre thats a good one, i think well try this one if we can do it properly. is there any safety reason why you said for right hand vs right only? once you get the hang of that can you do right vs left ?

When you say sword fight, do you mean to sort of use your forearm on your opponents applying pressure with a push and pull here and there to manipulate their balance distort their shots and create openings? maybe a good idea to throw in some tagging, like tap them with your fingers on the back of the neck or traps as a point to keep it tidy and stop it from turning into a wrestling match, what do you think? maybe be careful for accidental eye gouges? lol

Yeah we used to do it with a relaxed semi gripped hand so fingers didnt come into it.
You got the idea, its a feeling thing you are building up contact reflexes, its just an exercise to link feeling and balance into your brain via reaction is what it does.
You'll be able to read their intentions,once it gets to that stage you can bluff intentions then it becomes like a chess match.
Square shouldered nose to nose with contact to two arms is a touch advanced and could get messy if you hadnt gone the sword fight single arm routine at first.
Its a Wing Chun training regime.Minimal movement is required to get a space a shoot up if you knock an arm out of the way a good practitioner would be around that and smacking you up the outside of that move,its to be started slow and subtle and built up to free style. Eventually some dudes do it blindfolded.

It would eventually give any fighter a great feel for when they can slip past their opponents arms in close.

Good stuff andre, thats what i love about boxing, because of the rules and lack of weapons it makes it like a game of chess, good idea about the fingers not getting too involved, keep it sport specific as possible, i like the idea of leg fencing and disrupting footwork, done tidily and developed properly in a subtle manner these could be what im looking for in terms of defence on the inside it could add another layer, and give me a bit more confidence, spot on . Im definently going to be doing this one more aswell as a few other things a bit similair, maybe building up and adding a bit of leg fencing or footwork disruption, work things out a bit see what can be done, its interesting because its not somthing ive looked at much before or thought about but it opens up a whole new realm or level in which you can work your opponent, theres a lot to be thought about in boxing and as an outside fighter i tend to usually think more on the terms of outside work, learning all the time.

i was really surprised when i tried the elbows and found that it worked just as effective as grabbing the head, in muay thai clinching is done similair controlling the head to create openings and walk them into your knees by dissrupting and manipulating their balance. if you control an elbow its suprising how easy it is to move somebody and spin them and it doesnt even look like your doing anything to the untrained eye, is any of it allowed in amature or would you get called for it if it was too obviouse?

Yeah you would get called for it. Grabs are out, but if you control with one glove while attacking with the other on the way in, then they wont be looking at you suppressing their lead arm if your punch lands with your other hand at exactly the same time.

[Andre]

There is a lot of crap on the net regarding this but these two are practicing chi sao in an advanced way.
Although remember this is a dance of such and an exercise in gaining feelings in contact reflexes. It is a base to sparring and free sparring usually occurs on the end of this type of thing when two practice together and contact is broken.

The arm movements they start with for the first few seconds of each set are predetermined, but the outcomes are not.

You can tell the guy in blue is more advanced, at 124 or so he closes his eyes and turns away and shows what can be achieved.

Watching two of equal freedom go at it blindfolded is interesting to watch but I cant find any online yet.

[Andre]

Actually these two are not too bad at all.

Two hands no eyes is a lot harder than they make it look.