Berto v Ortiz in negotiations for April 16th

[TheMacMagician]

Ortiz is a big jr welterweight, and easily could compete at welter, if he's in the right mindset i think he can surprise quite a few people and give Berto hell, i mean he's a powerful southpaw, with an awkward style, decent speed, i'd say better power and a good variety of punches, and well to me at least Berto has had question marks all over his chin since the Cosme Rivera fight (where his corner had to cut off his glove to buy him time), should be a good fight and Ortiz is a lot more credible than Bailey or some other no name at welter

Not so sure about that one El............

Berto won't be fighting Bailey or someone like Aydin anytime soon I wouldn't say, he'd get sparked by both IMO. The same Berto that hugged and clinched the hell out of Juan Urango in the hope of not getting iced.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Ortiz is a big jr welterweight, and easily could compete at welter, if he's in the right mindset i think he can surprise quite a few people and give Berto hell, i mean he's a powerful southpaw, with an awkward style, decent speed, i'd say better power and a good variety of punches, and well to me at least Berto has had question marks all over his chin since the Cosme Rivera fight (where his corner had to cut off his glove to buy him time), should be a good fight and Ortiz is a lot more credible than Bailey or some other no name at welter

Not so sure about that one El............

Berto won't be fighting Bailey or someone like Aydin anytime soon I wouldn't say, he'd get sparked by both IMO.

are you kidding me? i'm not high on Berto what so ever, but Ortiz would ruin Bailey at this stage as would Berto, Randall Bailey has always been chinny and easy to find, he's nothing more than a B level fighter with loads of power but no chin or stamina to match, if Urango knocked him the fuck out, Ortiz and Berto would wreck the guy badly

[TheMacMagician]

Ortiz is a big jr welterweight, and easily could compete at welter, if he's in the right mindset i think he can surprise quite a few people and give Berto hell, i mean he's a powerful southpaw, with an awkward style, decent speed, i'd say better power and a good variety of punches, and well to me at least Berto has had question marks all over his chin since the Cosme Rivera fight (where his corner had to cut off his glove to buy him time), should be a good fight and Ortiz is a lot more credible than Bailey or some other no name at welter

Not so sure about that one El............

Berto won't be fighting Bailey or someone like Aydin anytime soon I wouldn't say, he'd get sparked by both IMO.

are you kidding me? i'm not high on Berto what so ever, but Ortiz would ruin Bailey at this stage as would Berto, Randall Bailey has always been chinny and easy to find, he's nothing more than a B level fighter with loads of power but no chin or stamina to match, if Urango knocked him the fuck out, Ortiz and Berto would wreck the guy badly

Kidding fine sir I am not. Berto and Ortiz have done nothing to nail it on that they would wreck Bailey. Berto, aside from stopping Quintana, does nothing to impress me at all, and Ortiz, first drop from Bailey would have his heart fall out of his arse. He already straight up quit once.

I like Bailey, especially at welterweight where he's not starvin, and I like hin to quake the boots of Berto.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Ortiz is a big jr welterweight, and easily could compete at welter, if he's in the right mindset i think he can surprise quite a few people and give Berto hell, i mean he's a powerful southpaw, with an awkward style, decent speed, i'd say better power and a good variety of punches, and well to me at least Berto has had question marks all over his chin since the Cosme Rivera fight (where his corner had to cut off his glove to buy him time), should be a good fight and Ortiz is a lot more credible than Bailey or some other no name at welter

Not so sure about that one El............

Berto won't be fighting Bailey or someone like Aydin anytime soon I wouldn't say, he'd get sparked by both IMO.

are you kidding me? i'm not high on Berto what so ever, but Ortiz would ruin Bailey at this stage as would Berto, Randall Bailey has always been chinny and easy to find, he's nothing more than a B level fighter with loads of power but no chin or stamina to match, if Urango knocked him the fuck out, Ortiz and Berto would wreck the guy badly

Kidding fine sir I am not. Berto and Ortiz have done nothing to nail it on that they would wreck Bailey. Berto, aside from stopping Quintana, does nothing to impress me at all, and Ortiz, first drop from Bailey would have his heart fall out of his arse. He already straight up quit once.

I like Bailey, especially at welterweight where he's not starvin, and I like hin to quake the boots of Berto.

umm Berto dominated and man handled the last guy to knock Bailey the fuck out in Urango, what has Randall Bailey done at a world stage to prove that at 36 he'll be a threat to a top rated fight in Berto? hell who the hell has Bailey ever beaten of note period, his biggest win is a 8 round UD against a shot Demarcus Corley to whom he had already lost to, he couldn't be Ngoudjo who was like 15-1 at the time and that was his last decent showing, Ortiz packs more power than Urango IMO and Berto would be on him and overwhelm him, in short if Bailey fought either guy he'd get KTFO

the biggest names on his record all have one thing in common they're all on the L part of his record, Cotto, Corley, Smith, and Urango

[OumaFan]

Ortiz has been a welterweight fighting at jr welter the last couple times out. He'll be a solid welter, don't think size is an issue here, speed might be though.

[TheMacMagician]

Ortiz is a big jr welterweight, and easily could compete at welter, if he's in the right mindset i think he can surprise quite a few people and give Berto hell, i mean he's a powerful southpaw, with an awkward style, decent speed, i'd say better power and a good variety of punches, and well to me at least Berto has had question marks all over his chin since the Cosme Rivera fight (where his corner had to cut off his glove to buy him time), should be a good fight and Ortiz is a lot more credible than Bailey or some other no name at welter

Not so sure about that one El............

Berto won't be fighting Bailey or someone like Aydin anytime soon I wouldn't say, he'd get sparked by both IMO.

are you kidding me? i'm not high on Berto what so ever, but Ortiz would ruin Bailey at this stage as would Berto, Randall Bailey has always been chinny and easy to find, he's nothing more than a B level fighter with loads of power but no chin or stamina to match, if Urango knocked him the fuck out, Ortiz and Berto would wreck the guy badly

Kidding fine sir I am not. Berto and Ortiz have done nothing to nail it on that they would wreck Bailey. Berto, aside from stopping Quintana, does nothing to impress me at all, and Ortiz, first drop from Bailey would have his heart fall out of his arse. He already straight up quit once.

I like Bailey, especially at welterweight where he's not starvin, and I like hin to quake the boots of Berto.

umm Berto dominated and man handled the last guy to knock Bailey the fuck out in Urango, what has Randall Bailey done at a world stage to prove that at 36 he'll be a threat to a top rated fight in Berto? hell who the hell has Bailey ever beaten of note period, his biggest win is a 8 round UD against a shot Demarcus Corley to whom he had already lost to, he couldn't be Ngoudjo who was like 15-1 at the time and that was his last decent showing, Ortiz packs more power than Urango IMO and Berto would be on him and overwhelm him, in short if Bailey fought either guy he'd get KTFO

the biggest names on his record all have one thing in common they're all on the L part of his record, Cotto, Corley, Smith, and Urango

Bailey isn't elite by any stretch and has had some poor showings, your dead right, and a couple of those fights if he was top top, then he would have done way better. No way did he get "knocked the fuck out" by Urango, he got ground down to the body and couldn't take any more, I don't see Berto having that good a body work. Bailey has good skill and moves well and with one of the best beautiful straight rights inthe business to get through a less than stellar Berto defense. Ishe smith is a good good fighter, and absolutely no shame in losing to Cotto, as most other have.

The only guy Ortiz has wrecked at a decent level is a well well over the hill Vivian Harris, no way he wrecks Bailey, can't have that. Plus he creeped to a draw (what was really a win by a couple of points) against Peterson. Berto hugged the life out of Urango and did not, IMO, dominate. I just can't accept that Berto is Elite, he got beat, IMO, by Collazo for damns sake. I really want to see Bailey fight Berto now..... If Berto was "Elite" and a wrecker, no way he would have jumped ship on the Mosley fight and absolutely no way in hell would he have fought Freddy Hernandez in his last fight.

To be honest, I don't really see what we'll learn from Berto and Ortiz fighting each other. I don't rate either of them highly.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Ortiz is a big jr welterweight, and easily could compete at welter, if he's in the right mindset i think he can surprise quite a few people and give Berto hell, i mean he's a powerful southpaw, with an awkward style, decent speed, i'd say better power and a good variety of punches, and well to me at least Berto has had question marks all over his chin since the Cosme Rivera fight (where his corner had to cut off his glove to buy him time), should be a good fight and Ortiz is a lot more credible than Bailey or some other no name at welter

Not so sure about that one El............

Berto won't be fighting Bailey or someone like Aydin anytime soon I wouldn't say, he'd get sparked by both IMO.

are you kidding me? i'm not high on Berto what so ever, but Ortiz would ruin Bailey at this stage as would Berto, Randall Bailey has always been chinny and easy to find, he's nothing more than a B level fighter with loads of power but no chin or stamina to match, if Urango knocked him the fuck out, Ortiz and Berto would wreck the guy badly

Kidding fine sir I am not. Berto and Ortiz have done nothing to nail it on that they would wreck Bailey. Berto, aside from stopping Quintana, does nothing to impress me at all, and Ortiz, first drop from Bailey would have his heart fall out of his arse. He already straight up quit once.

I like Bailey, especially at welterweight where he's not starvin, and I like hin to quake the boots of Berto.

umm Berto dominated and man handled the last guy to knock Bailey the fuck out in Urango, what has Randall Bailey done at a world stage to prove that at 36 he'll be a threat to a top rated fight in Berto? hell who the hell has Bailey ever beaten of note period, his biggest win is a 8 round UD against a shot Demarcus Corley to whom he had already lost to, he couldn't be Ngoudjo who was like 15-1 at the time and that was his last decent showing, Ortiz packs more power than Urango IMO and Berto would be on him and overwhelm him, in short if Bailey fought either guy he'd get KTFO

the biggest names on his record all have one thing in common they're all on the L part of his record, Cotto, Corley, Smith, and Urango

Bailey isn't elite by any stretch and has had some poor showings, your dead right, and a couple of those fights if he was top top, then he would have done way better. No way did he get "knocked the fuck out" by Urango, he got ground down to the body and couldn't take any more, I don't see Berto having that good a body work. Bailey has good skill and moves well and with one of the best beautiful straight rights inthe business to get through a less than stellar Berto defense. Ishe smith is a good good fighter, and absolutely no shame in losing to Cotto, as most other have.

The only guy Ortiz has wrecked at a decent level is a well well over the hill Vivian Harris, no way he wrecks Bailey, can't have that. Plus he creeped to a draw (what was really a win by a couple of points) against Peterson. Berto hugged the life out of Urango and did not, IMO, dominate. I just can't accept that Berto is Elite, he got beat, IMO, by Collazo for damns sake. I really want to see Bailey fight Berto now..... If Berto was "Elite" and a wrecker, no way he would have jumped ship on the Mosley fight and absolutely no way in hell would he have fought Freddy Hernandez in his last fight.

To be honest, I don't really see what we'll learn from Berto and Ortiz fighting each other. I don't rate either of them highly.

Ortiz also dominated (although aged) Nate Campbell, and i wouldn't really rate Bailey much higher than Harris or Campbell, as for power, Ortiz sparked a usually durable Maussa in one round

Berto didn't "jump ship" he had a valid reason for bowing out of the Mosley fight, he had just lost a number of relatives in the earthquake in Haita, hell he didn't even know if his own sister was alive, so nice try there, again i'm not even a Berto fan, i bash him when it's necessary and also don't think he's as good as some make him out to be, but he's a hell of a lot better than Randall fucking Bailey as is Victor Ortiz

[TheMacMagician]

Ortiz is a big jr welterweight, and easily could compete at welter, if he's in the right mindset i think he can surprise quite a few people and give Berto hell, i mean he's a powerful southpaw, with an awkward style, decent speed, i'd say better power and a good variety of punches, and well to me at least Berto has had question marks all over his chin since the Cosme Rivera fight (where his corner had to cut off his glove to buy him time), should be a good fight and Ortiz is a lot more credible than Bailey or some other no name at welter

Not so sure about that one El............

Berto won't be fighting Bailey or someone like Aydin anytime soon I wouldn't say, he'd get sparked by both IMO.

are you kidding me? i'm not high on Berto what so ever, but Ortiz would ruin Bailey at this stage as would Berto, Randall Bailey has always been chinny and easy to find, he's nothing more than a B level fighter with loads of power but no chin or stamina to match, if Urango knocked him the fuck out, Ortiz and Berto would wreck the guy badly

Kidding fine sir I am not. Berto and Ortiz have done nothing to nail it on that they would wreck Bailey. Berto, aside from stopping Quintana, does nothing to impress me at all, and Ortiz, first drop from Bailey would have his heart fall out of his arse. He already straight up quit once.

I like Bailey, especially at welterweight where he's not starvin, and I like hin to quake the boots of Berto.

umm Berto dominated and man handled the last guy to knock Bailey the fuck out in Urango, what has Randall Bailey done at a world stage to prove that at 36 he'll be a threat to a top rated fight in Berto? hell who the hell has Bailey ever beaten of note period, his biggest win is a 8 round UD against a shot Demarcus Corley to whom he had already lost to, he couldn't be Ngoudjo who was like 15-1 at the time and that was his last decent showing, Ortiz packs more power than Urango IMO and Berto would be on him and overwhelm him, in short if Bailey fought either guy he'd get KTFO

the biggest names on his record all have one thing in common they're all on the L part of his record, Cotto, Corley, Smith, and Urango

Bailey isn't elite by any stretch and has had some poor showings, your dead right, and a couple of those fights if he was top top, then he would have done way better. No way did he get "knocked the fuck out" by Urango, he got ground down to the body and couldn't take any more, I don't see Berto having that good a body work. Bailey has good skill and moves well and with one of the best beautiful straight rights inthe business to get through a less than stellar Berto defense. Ishe smith is a good good fighter, and absolutely no shame in losing to Cotto, as most other have.

The only guy Ortiz has wrecked at a decent level is a well well over the hill Vivian Harris, no way he wrecks Bailey, can't have that. Plus he creeped to a draw (what was really a win by a couple of points) against Peterson. Berto hugged the life out of Urango and did not, IMO, dominate. I just can't accept that Berto is Elite, he got beat, IMO, by Collazo for damns sake. I really want to see Bailey fight Berto now..... If Berto was "Elite" and a wrecker, no way he would have jumped ship on the Mosley fight and absolutely no way in hell would he have fought Freddy Hernandez in his last fight.

To be honest, I don't really see what we'll learn from Berto and Ortiz fighting each other. I don't rate either of them highly.

Ortiz also dominated (although aged) Nate Campbell, and i wouldn't really rate Bailey much higher than Harris or Campbell, as for power, Ortiz sparked a usually durable Maussa in one round

Berto didn't "jump ship" he had a valid reason for bowing out of the Mosley fight, he had just lost a number of relatives in the earthquake in Haita, hell he didn't even know if his own sister was alive, so nice try there, again i'm not even a Berto fan, i bash him when it's necessary and also don't think he's as good as some make him out to be, but he's a hell of a lot better than Randall fucking Bailey as is Victor Ortiz

I totally know about the disaster in Haiti, mistake me not. Doesn't seem to have been in a super rush to get back in there with osely though hey. Hernandez, i'll say t again..... Someone doesn't have faith in him, whether its himself or his team......

Funny thing is, we'll probably never find out about Bailey. Lets just agree to disagree. Your more than likely more knowledgeable on Berto and Ortiz than me so i'll bow to the more thorough explanation you provided. Until then, Berto vs Ortiz shows people absolutely fuck all in my humble opinion.......

[Taeth]

This could be competitive early, but I think Berto will likely stop or badly hurt Ortiz. I honestly can't rank Ortiz higher than guys like Quintana or Collazo. I think he may hit harder, but both him and berto don't seem to be able to really implement their assets really effectively. They can both be technical fighters, Berto is blistering fast, and Ortiz is pretty quick himself. They both hit really hard, yet they can't seem to really "control" a fight. I just see Berto being a better athlete and a toughter guy mentally. I mean he's been through way more than Ortiz and he's the more talented fighter. It seems like Golden Boy is throwing ORtiz to the wolves.