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    Default Re: hook video part 1 for Kimbo

    I land always with palm perpendicular to the flor because of the heavy bag. I can't land it there with palm paralel to the flor. Its a bad habit because the hook goes wider and the line of force is not colinear to the hand. Normally short hooks must be executed with the palm perpendicular to the flor and with increasing distance the thumb rolls up...

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    I've always read/been taught/believed that the hook should be thrown with the thumb and palm inward- as if grabbing a vertical pole, as you describe., Also, my understanding of Corbett's "invention" of the left hook was that it was to protect the outside knuckles, as it was customary at that time (and I think depictions of bareknuckle fights will bear me out on this) to land a jab with the thumb up, hence putting the small knuckles at greater risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    I've always read/been taught/believed that the hook should be thrown with the thumb and palm inward- as if grabbing a vertical pole, as you describe., Also, my understanding of Corbett's "invention" of the left hook was that it was to protect the outside knuckles, as it was customary at that time (and I think depictions of bareknuckle fights will bear me out on this) to land a jab with the thumb up, hence putting the small knuckles at greater risk.
    Understood. Earlier in the thread you expressed your favour toward "short," left hooks. I think the thumb up technique certainly lends itself towards this practice. I would be a little concerned about hooking in this manner from range, but I have not experimented yet.
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    I don't think that, from a distance, the left hook is a worthwhile punch. In a recent issue of RING Hopkins agreed with this. From a distance, throw jabs and straight right hands. Now, if you can find a way to dramatically close the distance, without the other guy realizing it, hook him.
    Have you seen Hopkins/Trinidad? Watch what a smart fighter (by todays standards) does to a guy looking to lead with the hook. The hook is a short and tight punch, keep the elbow close in and turn those hips.
    With any luck this will open up some discussion about Joe Frazier, who didn't do many of those things and is considered a great "left hooker". I'm not so impressed and I'd love to get into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    I don't think that, from a distance, the left hook is a worthwhile punch. In a recent issue of RING Hopkins agreed with this. From a distance, throw jabs and straight right hands. Now, if you can find a way to dramatically close the distance, without the other guy realizing it, hook him.
    Have you seen Hopkins/Trinidad? Watch what a smart fighter (by todays standards) does to a guy looking to lead with the hook. The hook is a short and tight punch, keep the elbow close in and turn those hips.
    With any luck this will open up some discussion about Joe Frazier, who didn't do many of those things and is considered a great "left hooker". I'm not so impressed and I'd love to get into this.
    I understand and perhaps I expressed myself poorly.
    The hook is a close range punch, but I do like to go through the motions, coming from outside with the jab, shifting the weight with the straight right and thus getting close for a full bodied left hook.
    Again I'm afraid I'm expressing myself poorly, but essentially I agree, the hook is a close punch.

    I was always surprised Eddie Futch was given such credit for training Frazier. I feel he is a great fighter, but his punchingability is from nature, there was little attention to actual technique
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    Youi're right- jab, right, that gets you in close for the hook. My thing with Frazier, the way he threw his hook- off the front foot- it killed his right hand. He became a one handed fighter, and, really, his hook wasn't all that because he didn't get his weight turned.

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    Default Re: hook video part 1 for Kimbo

    wow great posts and great discussion, i want to say i feel no one was critical, but they were all very good critiques of this vid, i liked a point or two, i tend to fight off my front foot which does hurt my right a lot,i think the discussion here is leading to some good technique. thanx everyone for your opinions

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    Hmm about Frazier's left hook... I must disagree. He puts in every punch alot of "Body". See him pursuing someone. He bobs down(no no in the modern boxing for reasons that are above my comprehension) and when he goes up he initialise his hook of a perfect position. Second comming from so low gives him alot ot initial velocity thats why his hook are heavy even on long range. Then when he is squared to his oponent it is just beautiful. Not throwing the right hand in this situation is the best solution. What is the best counter for the left hook? Keeping this hand high(or in his case cocked to give an incline target) and play it safe!!! He don't need to be gridy

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    Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
    Youi're right- jab, right, that gets you in close for the hook. My thing with Frazier, the way he threw his hook- off the front foot- it killed his right hand. He became a one handed fighter, and, really, his hook wasn't all that because he didn't get his weight turned.
    I was watching fighters from the 20's through to the 40's. The placed a lot of weight on the rear foot, for defensive purposes, but it allowed them to transfer weight brilliantly to the front foot when throwing a right.

    Nikola-
    With Frazier he did have a lot of body in his hooks, but I think that was natural. His body shape suited the left hook, really well.! But it was all off the front hip and it was never transfered back
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    Hard to move with your weight too far forward. Do you remember Ike Quartey? If you came topwards him, like Vince Philips did, he threw really nice combinations...But his thing was his left jab- lots of power on it because he got his weight way up on his left foot. Kind of a problem because, from there, he couldn't throw a right hand. Also his opponents could move away from him because, to follow, he had to rock his weight back.
    Which I guess has nothing at all to do with throwing a left hook...

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    I remember Quartey's jab.

    I think it was everything to do with the hook;weight distribution that is.
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