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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
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    I think mayweather beats at any weight they occupy, he's harder to hit, faster, bigger, and he works harder. He's simply better than Whitaker.

    Duran also likely beats him, Whitaker couldn't move like Leonard did, and Duran would just go to the body and make an ugly inside fight, but he's bigger and better than jcc.

    Leonard and hearns I think they beat him because both are excellent fighters with a huge size advantage while both are also faster than him.

    Aaron Pryor and pacquiao both best whitaker because they have to great a combination of speed, output and pressure.

    I've watched a lot of Whitaker, and he's one of my favorites, but he simply relied on his reflexes far too much, the actual technique needed against a lot of these guys' speed simply isn't there, and he didn't control the ring the same way a lot these guys did.
    surprise surprise Taeth once again making it seem as if no one in the history of the sport could beat Mayweather...
    I've never seen Taeth do this, but in this case I have to agree with him. Whitaker had superb defensive skills, but Mayweather simply works harder and possesses better offensive skills than Pernell and would have taken a judges decision had they have fought.

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I think mayweather beats at any weight they occupy, he's harder to hit, faster, bigger, and he works harder. He's simply better than Whitaker.

    Duran also likely beats him, Whitaker couldn't move like Leonard did, and Duran would just go to the body and make an ugly inside fight, but he's bigger and better than jcc.

    Leonard and hearns I think they beat him because both are excellent fighters with a huge size advantage while both are also faster than him.

    Aaron Pryor and pacquiao both best whitaker because they have to great a combination of speed, output and pressure.

    I've watched a lot of Whitaker, and he's one of my favorites, but he simply relied on his reflexes far too much, the actual technique needed against a lot of these guys' speed simply isn't there, and he didn't control the ring the same way a lot these guys did.
    surprise surprise Taeth once again making it seem as if no one in the history of the sport could beat Mayweather...
    I've never seen Taeth do this, but in this case I have to agree with him. Whitaker had superb defensive skills, but Mayweather simply works harder and possesses better offensive skills than Pernell and would have taken a judges decision had they have fought.
    just read most of his posts where he mentions Mayweather in nearly everyone of them, he builds him to be the #1 ATG fighter in the history of the sport

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I think mayweather beats at any weight they occupy, he's harder to hit, faster, bigger, and he works harder. He's simply better than Whitaker.

    Duran also likely beats him, Whitaker couldn't move like Leonard did, and Duran would just go to the body and make an ugly inside fight, but he's bigger and better than jcc.

    Leonard and hearns I think they beat him because both are excellent fighters with a huge size advantage while both are also faster than him.

    Aaron Pryor and pacquiao both best whitaker because they have to great a combination of speed, output and pressure.

    I've watched a lot of Whitaker, and he's one of my favorites, but he simply relied on his reflexes far too much, the actual technique needed against a lot of these guys' speed simply isn't there, and he didn't control the ring the same way a lot these guys did.
    surprise surprise Taeth once again making it seem as if no one in the history of the sport could beat Mayweather...
    I've never seen Taeth do this, but in this case I have to agree with him. Whitaker had superb defensive skills, but Mayweather simply works harder and possesses better offensive skills than Pernell and would have taken a judges decision had they have fought.
    just read most of his posts where he mentions Mayweather in nearly everyone of them, he builds him to be the #1 ATG fighter in the history of the sport
    Fair enough. I've seen him post bout plenty of other things though, he's hardly a Xadu is he? I don't think any fighter in the history of the sport would have beaten a prime Roy Jones Jr. It's all opinion.

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Lightweights
    Joe Gans
    Roberto Duran
    Willie Pep
    Benny Leonard
    Light Welterweights
    Aaron Pryor
    Kostya Tszyu
    Floyd Mayweather
    Welterweight
    Henry Armstrong
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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trueno View Post
    Lightweights
    Joe Gans
    Roberto Duran
    Willie Pep
    Benny Leonard
    Light Welterweights
    Aaron Pryor
    Kostya Tszyu
    Floyd Mayweather
    Welterweight
    Henry Armstrong
    Actually never mind 147- quit a few would here
    Pep, Leonard and Tszyu would have no chance

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Jose Luis Ramirez battered him in his prime. I cant believe that one American judges scorecard, what fight was he watching?

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
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    Pep, Leonard and Tszyu would have no chance
    Each guy I posted I gave a shot at beating Sweetpea, pretty sure he may have beaten quite a few of em.
    Pep and Leonard may not have been big enough.

    But you've gotta give Tszyu a chance don't you?
    Pernell had a good beard, but Tszyu could take guys with one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueno View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
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    Pep, Leonard and Tszyu would have no chance
    Each guy I posted I gave a shot at beating Sweetpea, pretty sure he may have beaten quite a few of em.
    Pep and Leonard may not have been big enough.

    But you've gotta give Tszyu a chance don't you?
    Pernell had a good beard, but Tszyu could take guys with one.
    Leonard not big enough. Pep no where near the offense to pull it off. And Tszyu way to one-dimensional for Whitaker.

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Shane Mosley at lightweight or welterweight, Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran, maybe Aaaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello.

    Only the best of the best.

    Oh and Ricky Hatton of course
    "You knocked him down...now how bout you try knockin me down ?"

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulk View Post
    Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Shane Mosley at lightweight or welterweight, Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran, maybe Aaaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello.

    Only the best of the best.

    Oh and Ricky Hatton of course
    With Dave Parris as ref, or Joe Cortez?

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    In baseball they say great pitching beats great hitting. Likewise the great defensive backpeddler with speed generally has the advantage over the big punching forward-coming fighter.

    So, I think the most likely candidate to beat Sweet Pea would be his fellow defensive artist, PBF. Meldrick Taylor in has prime would've been an interesting test. His speed might have caused trouble for Sweet Pea.

    If sugar ray could outbox duran, I think Sweat Pea could too. Chavez is the test case there and even though Duran had superior movement and defense to Chavez, I doubt he could get to Sweat Pea.

    SRL however was also a great boxer and had more power. He was a natural WW and would've had the height and reach advantage, so ultimately you have to go with him. Ditto for Hearns but with these two the real differnce is size. Mayweather and Meldrick were more in Seat Pea's natural range.

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulk View Post
    Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Shane Mosley at lightweight or welterweight, Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran, maybe Aaaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello.

    Only the best of the best.

    Oh and Ricky Hatton of course
    Only thing Hatton beats Whitaker in is a gravy drink off. Whitaker whips his ass in a boxing fight and a snorting contest

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hulk View Post
    Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Shane Mosley at lightweight or welterweight, Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran, maybe Aaaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello.

    Only the best of the best.

    Oh and Ricky Hatton of course
    Only thing Hatton beats Whitaker in is a gravy drink off. Whitaker whips his ass in a boxing fight and a snorting contest
    Notice the wink after I said it ?

    I was joking. Obviously.
    "You knocked him down...now how bout you try knockin me down ?"

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Mayweather, Leonard and Hearns I would favor to beat Whitaker.

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    Default Re: Who would have beaten a prime Whitaker?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bzkfn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    I think mayweather beats at any weight they occupy, he's harder to hit, faster, bigger, and he works harder. He's simply better than Whitaker.

    Duran also likely beats him, Whitaker couldn't move like Leonard did, and Duran would just go to the body and make an ugly inside fight, but he's bigger and better than jcc.

    Leonard and hearns I think they beat him because both are excellent fighters with a huge size advantage while both are also faster than him.

    Aaron Pryor and pacquiao both best whitaker because they have to great a combination of speed, output and pressure.

    I've watched a lot of Whitaker, and he's one of my favorites, but he simply relied on his reflexes far too much, the actual technique needed against a lot of these guys' speed simply isn't there, and he didn't control the ring the same way a lot these guys did.
    surprise surprise Taeth once again making it seem as if no one in the history of the sport could beat Mayweather...
    I've never seen Taeth do this, but in this case I have to agree with him. Whitaker had superb defensive skills, but Mayweather simply works harder and possesses better offensive skills than Pernell and would have taken a judges decision had they have fought.
    just read most of his posts where he mentions Mayweather in nearly everyone of them, he builds him to be the #1 ATG fighter in the history of the sport
    I don't think he's the greatest, but I think he's up there, as he should be. Just like RJJ should as well. It's ignorant people who think guys who they have barely seen in their lives are way better that should have their heads' checked. Most people have a p4p list who consist of guys who largely were never filmed in full bouts and nearly never near their prime yet they idolize them to no limit. Like Ray Robinson, there isn't enough full fights when he was at his best against his best opponents to really establish how good he was. Let alone Wille Pep, Benny Leonard, Sam Langford, Henry Armstrong, etc, etc. People hypothisize here and there, but they really don't know how these guys actually looked in the ring at their best. And the guys like Leonard, Hagler, Ali, and Duran are so insurmountable in the minds of some that a guy could far vastly outachieve what any of them did like Pacquiao has done, and still all these new guys get is hate from people like ElTerribleMorales

    Just for example, just ask who is better Hopkins or Hagler, or who has the better legacy. JCC or guys like Barrera, Morales and/or JMM. I think in a few years time people will realize who has actually done more than who.
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