Top 5 P4P Now?

[Kev]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

[CFH]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

[Kev]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

[:::PSL:::]

Most of us here are talking about him being one of top 10 best now. He's starting to receive some respect (even from Bilbo ). That's a good thing.

[CFH]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

[Kev]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.

Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.

All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.

That's all I'm saying.

[CFH]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.

Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.

All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.

That's all I'm saying.

You said that Donaire had fought the two best opponents available to them and had smashed them. You then said that Martinez had not and that is what I am disagreeing with. He might not have knocked out Pavlik, but he outclassed him, and I would argue that Martinez' victories over Williams and Pavlik were comparable or superior to Donaire's over Montiel and Darchinyan.

[Kev]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.

Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.

All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.

That's all I'm saying.

You said that Donaire had fought the two best opponents available to them and had smashed them. You then said that Martinez had not and that is what I am disagreeing with. He might not have knocked out Pavlik, but he outclassed him, and I would argue that Martinez' victories over Williams and Pavlik were comparable or superior to Donaire's over Montiel and Darchinyan.

This is what I wrote

He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

I don't know how that is debatable. Martinez has gone to points in three of his last four with a loss and a draw amongst them. That's not smashing everybody.

That's all I'm saying. It was just a throwaway comment geez

Since when did you become such a pedant?

I'm not arguing whether Pavlik and Williams were better opp than Montiel and Donaire just that one punch ko'ing both Montiel and Darchinyan is more explosive than going 1-1 wit Williams and winning on points against Pavlik.

Let it go, you're starting to sound like Miles

[Rantcatrat]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

Agree

[JonnyFolds]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

No love for Maritnez?? Why are you trying SO hard to discredit what the man has done? Don't even act like you know he was going to spark Williams in the rematch. I called that and nobody was with me. He didn't just WIN against Cintron he knocked him out with a PUNCH to the FACE. Cintron could only continue, bc he was give ample time to recover from that punch. (Yes the one he complained about being a headbutt)

Martinez stole the title from Pavlik in a guts performance. He got off the convas to lacerate Pavliks face and take his belts.

Donaire on the other had went life and death with a guy who was 13-3-1 in Rafael Conception. This does NOT matter anymore, but I am just saying everyone has blemishes on their record.

1 Pacquiao
2 Martinez
3 W Klitschko
4 Marquez (he just keeps winning, why boot him?)
5 Donaire

Honorable mention: Andre Ward

[Kev]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

No love for Maritnez?? Why are you trying SO hard to discredit what the man has done? Don't even act like you know he was going to spark Williams in the rematch. I called that and nobody was with me. He didn't just WIN against Cintron he knocked him out with a PUNCH to the FACE. Cintron could only continue, bc he was give ample time to recover from that punch. (Yes the one he complained about being a headbutt)

Martinez stole the title from Pavlik in a guts performance. He got off the convas to lacerate Pavliks face and take his belts.

Donaire on the other had went life and death with a guy who was 13-3-1 in Rafael Conception. This does NOT matter anymore, but I am just saying everyone has blemishes on their record.

1 Pacquiao
2 Martinez
3 W Klitschko
4 Marquez (he just keeps winning, why boot him?)
5 Donaire

Honorable mention: Andre Ward

haha this is great now somebody sees me as a fanboy of Nonito Donaire

Try reading all my posts in this thread. I have Martinez number 3 p4p, you are completely missing what I was talking about. It had nothing to do with Martinez really, I just said that Donaire was finally worthy of his lofty p4p status having destroyed his top rivals in a way that only Manny has been doing lately.

[bzkfn]

1 Pacquiao
2 Martinez
3 W Klitschko
4 Marquez (he just keeps winning, why boot him?)
5 Donaire

Honorable mention: Andre Ward

If you're basing your P4P ranking on achievements, then how does Andre Ward receive an honourable mention. As he's the only fighter you've given this to, I assume you place him at 6? But achievement wise, he's done very little to warrant such a lofty ranking. If you're basing it on skill and what you think may happen in the future, then I can see where you are coming from, but at this moment, Ward is not top 10 P4P IMO.

[Rantcatrat]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

No love for Maritnez?? Why are you trying SO hard to discredit what the man has done? Don't even act like you know he was going to spark Williams in the rematch. I called that and nobody was with me. He didn't just WIN against Cintron he knocked him out with a PUNCH to the FACE. Cintron could only continue, bc he was give ample time to recover from that punch. (Yes the one he complained about being a headbutt)

Martinez stole the title from Pavlik in a guts performance. He got off the convas to lacerate Pavliks face and take his belts.

Donaire on the other had went life and death with a guy who was 13-3-1 in Rafael Conception. This does NOT matter anymore, but I am just saying everyone has blemishes on their record.

1 Pacquiao
2 Martinez
3 W Klitschko
4 Marquez (he just keeps winning, why boot him?)
5 Donaire

Honorable mention: Andre Ward

No Mayweather because he hasn't fought since last May? I give a fighter one year without a fighting being scheduled before taking them off the list.

1. Pac
2. PBF
3. Maravilla
4. Donaire
5. Marquez
6. Wlad

This could be wrong. I need to think about it a bit more.

[:::PSL:::]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

No love for Maritnez?? Why are you trying SO hard to discredit what the man has done? Don't even act like you know he was going to spark Williams in the rematch. I called that and nobody was with me. He didn't just WIN against Cintron he knocked him out with a PUNCH to the FACE. Cintron could only continue, bc he was give ample time to recover from that punch. (Yes the one he complained about being a headbutt)

Martinez stole the title from Pavlik in a guts performance. He got off the convas to lacerate Pavliks face and take his belts.

Donaire on the other had went life and death with a guy who was 13-3-1 in Rafael Conception. This does NOT matter anymore, but I am just saying everyone has blemishes on their record.

1 Pacquiao
2 Martinez
3 W Klitschko
4 Marquez (he just keeps winning, why boot him?)
5 Donaire

Honorable mention: Andre Ward

Concepcion was 4.5 lbs overweight at the weigh-in. And Donaire won by UD.

[Julius Rain]

Ward favors Nonito over Juanma!?