Top 5 P4P Now?

[CFH]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

[Kev]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.

Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.

All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.

That's all I'm saying.

[CFH]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.

Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.

All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.

That's all I'm saying.

You said that Donaire had fought the two best opponents available to them and had smashed them. You then said that Martinez had not and that is what I am disagreeing with. He might not have knocked out Pavlik, but he outclassed him, and I would argue that Martinez' victories over Williams and Pavlik were comparable or superior to Donaire's over Montiel and Darchinyan.

[Kev]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.

Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.

All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.

That's all I'm saying.

You said that Donaire had fought the two best opponents available to them and had smashed them. You then said that Martinez had not and that is what I am disagreeing with. He might not have knocked out Pavlik, but he outclassed him, and I would argue that Martinez' victories over Williams and Pavlik were comparable or superior to Donaire's over Montiel and Darchinyan.

This is what I wrote

He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

I don't know how that is debatable. Martinez has gone to points in three of his last four with a loss and a draw amongst them. That's not smashing everybody.

That's all I'm saying. It was just a throwaway comment geez

Since when did you become such a pedant?

I'm not arguing whether Pavlik and Williams were better opp than Montiel and Donaire just that one punch ko'ing both Montiel and Darchinyan is more explosive than going 1-1 wit Williams and winning on points against Pavlik.

Let it go, you're starting to sound like Miles

[gest12645]

I think that Martinez ko'ing Wiliams was still more impressive than Donaire's win tonight. Here's my top 10 p4p

Pac
Pbf
Martinez
Donaire
JMM
Wlad Klitschko
Bradley
Hopkins
Ward
V.Klitschko

give your opinions ladies and gentelmen

[:::PSL:::]

I got a feeling Lucian Bute will be up there too this year.

He's one of my fav fighter.

[ElTerribleMorales]

it was a great punch by Donaire, but i gotta say that the ref was a complete moron, he should have either stopped the fight once Montiel got up, or make sure Donaire was in the neutral corner before allowing it to continue (can't really blame Nonito for pouncing on him, it's not his job it's the refs)

gotta give Montiel credit though the way he just popped up from such a hellish shot (and the Simon Brown replay) was crazy, i honestly wouldn't mind a rematch down the road, cause i honestly think it would play differently

but back the the original topic, i still don't have Donaire in the top 5, i have him barely making the top 10 (probably at around 7 or my top 5 as of right now is

Pacquiao
Mayweather
Martinez
Marquez
Lopez

[Rantcatrat]

..... let's not get carried away.

getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.

Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.

Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.

How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.

His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).

Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.

I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?

Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.

His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.

And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.

Agree