Top 5 P4P Now?

[Julius Rain]

I think HBO guys like Roy Jones are putting him at #2 because of skillset. I completely agree, skill wise Nonito is right below Pacquiao but considering every factor such as resume I have to place him third or forth.

When it comes to skills i dont think anybody can deny him that number 2 slot.

[Pavlik]

1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. Sergio
4. Marquez
5. Juan Ma

[ElTerribleMorales]

1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. Sergio
4. Marquez
5. Juan Ma

exactly how i have it right now, IMO Donaire is now actually deserving of p4p status but still have him on the bottom half, around 7 or 8

[Rantcatrat]

1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. Sergio
4. Marquez
5. Juan Ma

Can you explain why it is you have JuanMa so high on your p4p list?

[Kev]

1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. Sergio
4. Marquez
5. Juan Ma

Can you explain why it is you have JuanMa so high on your p4p list?

Whilst I wouldn't have him there myself his acomplishments are as great as Donaire's imo.

Two weight world champ, undefeated unlike Donaire. Has beaten more world champions than Donaire. Has beaten a future Hall of Famer in R Marquez, not sure Darchinyan or Montiel are on the level of Raphael Marquez.

Lopez has knocked out two reigning world champs in De Leon and Lueveno and forced Marquez to quit after 8 rounds also.

[Rantcatrat]

1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. Sergio
4. Marquez
5. Juan Ma

Can you explain why it is you have JuanMa so high on your p4p list?

Whilst I wouldn't have him there myself his acomplishments are as great as Donaire's imo.

Two weight world champ, undefeated unlike Donaire. Has beaten more world champions than Donaire. Has beaten a future Hall of Famer in R Marquez, not sure Darchinyan or Montiel are on the level of Raphael Marquez.

Lopez has knocked out two reigning world champs in De Leon and Lueveno and forced Marquez to quit after 8 rounds also.

I can't decide how high I'd place JuanMa on my list. I'd have him top ten for sure. My only thing is that he hasn't beat the best in his division at featherweight. Donaire just destroyed the best in his division. I've always liked Mares, but Montiel was the best in the division after Donaire. To me, JuanMa would merit top 5 if he beat Gamboa or Chris John, or he had beat Caballero before Caballero's loss to Litzau, in a similarly decisive fashion. Who was considered the best at 122 when JuanMa was in that division (besides JuanMa)?

Donaire also has gone from 112 to 118, a three division champ whereas JuanMa is a two division champion. Am I correct on that? Can't recall right now exactly.

The Ponce De Leon victory was a big win and that is a big part of the reason why I have him in my top ten. Marquez was great at 118 and 122, but not so much at 126. See my point. Bottom line I guess is that I'm skeptical of giving JuanMa too lofty of a ranking until he beats Gamboa or John.

[Kev]

1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. Sergio
4. Marquez
5. Juan Ma

Can you explain why it is you have JuanMa so high on your p4p list?

Whilst I wouldn't have him there myself his acomplishments are as great as Donaire's imo.

Two weight world champ, undefeated unlike Donaire. Has beaten more world champions than Donaire. Has beaten a future Hall of Famer in R Marquez, not sure Darchinyan or Montiel are on the level of Raphael Marquez.

Lopez has knocked out two reigning world champs in De Leon and Lueveno and forced Marquez to quit after 8 rounds also.

I can't decide how high I'd place JuanMa on my list. I'd have him top ten for sure. My only thing is that he hasn't beat the best in his division at featherweight. Donaire just destroyed the best in his division. I've always liked Mares, but Montiel was the best in the division after Donaire. To me, JuanMa would merit top 5 if he beat Gamboa or Chris John, or he had beat Caballero before Caballero's loss to Litzau, in a similarly decisive fashion. Who was considered the best at 122 when JuanMa was in that division (besides JuanMa)?

Donaire also has gone from 112 to 118, a three division champ whereas JuanMa is a two division champion. Am I correct on that? Can't recall right now exactly.

The Ponce De Leon victory was a big win and that is a big part of the reason why I have him in my top ten. Marquez was great at 118 and 122, but not so much at 126. See my point. Bottom line I guess is that I'm skeptical of giving JuanMa too lofty of a ranking until he beats Gamboa or John.

Donaire started at 115 then moved down to 112 to fight Darchinyan before moving back up again after a couple defences. He's a two weight world champ.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think HBO guys like Roy Jones are putting him at #2 because of skillset. I completely agree, skill wise Nonito is right below Pacquiao but considering every factor such as resume I have to place him third or forth.

When it comes to skills i dont think anybody can deny him that number 2 slot.

are you kidding me? Mayweather's skills are way beyond Donaire's

[CFH]

For what it's worth, my top 5 p4p would probably look something like this:

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Hopkins (I feel dirty just typing that)
5. Ward/Donaire/Bradley/Lopez/Froch

I really feel the guys I have in the #5 spot are pretty interchangeable depending on ones preferences.

[TitoFan]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

[Kev]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

[:::PSL:::]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Lol! That was really a strange thread he/she made.

Is he a he or a she?

[generalbulldog]

1. Floyd
2. Pac
3. Martinez
4. JMM
5. JML

[TitoFan]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

[ElTerribleMorales]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

you don't have to like the guy but don't ignore the fact that he's a 5 division champ (and none were at catch weights), he holds wins over Corrales, Castillo, DLH, Gatti, Judah and other good fighters at the lower weights such as Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Genaro Hernandez

like i said in another thread you could say the same thing for Pacquiao that you've already said for Floyd

he's fought guys either past their primes or at weights where it's been to his advantage

DLH (completely shot and weight drained)

Hatton (on the slide and had looked like shit in his fights after Mayweather beat him)

Cotto (the general opinion was he lost a step after the Margarito fight and was at a catchweight)

Clottey (had already lost to Cotto prior to fighting Pacquiao)

Margarito (had only had two fights in nearly 2 years away, and he had gotten KO'd and won a UD against a journeyman and he looked like shit in that fight, giving the sense that without plaster he's crap, oh yea and it was another catchweight)

and now Mosley (if he aged front of your very eyes against Floyd, why the hell is Pacquiao recycling yet another one of Mayweather's opponents? oh and he wanted drug tests)

i mean there really is no difference between the two

Mayweather now taking on Paul Williams would be the equivalent of Pacquiao having taken on Margarito, which after what Martinez did to him well i really wouldn't say it means much