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    Default Re: 8 lbs lighter Nonito still obliterate Montiel

    Quote Originally Posted by KKisser View Post
    montiel would move up to 122 but donaire would be there right behind him.
    Donaire said he's staying at 118 right now , and I doubt he would want to fight Montiel again. No point of it

    How do you have Donaire against Agbeko ? Mares? Perez? Vic?

    I say he:

    Ko's Mares
    Ko's Vic

    and wins easy againest Perez
    and wins a tough one against Agbeko.

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    Default Re: 8 lbs lighter Nonito still obliterate Montiel

    Quote Originally Posted by gest12645 View Post
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    montiel would move up to 122 but donaire would be there right behind him.
    Donaire said he's staying at 118 right now , and I doubt he would want to fight Montiel again. No point of it

    How do you have Donaire against Agbeko ? Mares? Perez? Vic?

    I say he:

    Ko's Mares
    Ko's Vic

    and wins easy againest Perez
    and wins a tough one against Agbeko.
    yes, i believe donaire will clean up 118 division first before moving up. he only need to fight winner of agbeko-mares next.

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    Default Re: 8 lbs lighter Nonito still obliterate Montiel

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    Nonito was 8lbs lighter? Man how is that possible. He must have a way of hovering over the scales! Watching the fight it looked like in Montiel they had taken an image of a man standing further away and brought it to the foreground.

    I'll take nothing away from what was a fautless performance but Montiel looked at least two weight classes smaller.

    Donaire should be fighting guys like Lopez and Gamboa really, it amazes me he is able to get down to that weight class.
    And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.

    Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?

    lmfao!

    Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.

    I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.

    Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.

    Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.

    Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.

    As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.

    Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.

    He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.

    Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
    Actually that's my mentality too Bilbo, but let's be OBJECTIVE here is he Montiel actually the functionally heavier guy in there tonight? Is HBO lying is there a conspiracy?
    people are just gonna say the same shit they said about donaire before, that he needs to fight heavier guys, i think its insane that someone who was like a flyweight 4 years ago is expected to fight lightweights to get any credit


    donaire didnt knock montiel out with size or strength, he did it with skill, he placed that counter

    and montiel was incredibly jacked for a guy his size, the guy had like 0% body fat, he wasnt smaller, just shorter
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    Default Re: 8 lbs lighter Nonito still obliterate Montiel

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
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    Nonito was 8lbs lighter? Man how is that possible. He must have a way of hovering over the scales! Watching the fight it looked like in Montiel they had taken an image of a man standing further away and brought it to the foreground.

    I'll take nothing away from what was a fautless performance but Montiel looked at least two weight classes smaller.

    Donaire should be fighting guys like Lopez and Gamboa really, it amazes me he is able to get down to that weight class.
    And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.

    Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?

    lmfao!

    Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.

    I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.

    Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.

    Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.

    Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.

    As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.

    Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.

    He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.

    Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
    Actually that's my mentality too Bilbo, but let's be OBJECTIVE here is he Montiel actually the functionally heavier guy in there tonight? Is HBO lying is there a conspiracy?

    Yeah I can't explain it to be fair. I mean he's clearly the naturally much bigger man. It was like the size difference between Manny and Oscar where Oscar despite being much bigger weighed in lighter on fightnight.

    But he was a shell of a fighter whereas Donaire seems to perform at peak level whilst being, according to the scales weight seriously dehydrated.

    It's definitely a freak gift, like it was for Paul Williams at welter. But I want to see him against guys his own size. Him and Gamboa or Lopez is a great fight.

    To be honest if it wasn't for all the hype around I could really like him. No doubting his talent, he has literally destroyed two of the best fighters in the division now.

    But Lopez was doing that when he started out. As the opposition got tougher and bigger he hasnt been looking nearly as good.

    I wont be convinced that Donaire is top 4 p4p until he's beaten a legit champ his own size.
    nonito's fight night weight tonight is 126 lbs, if im not mistaken both juan ma and yuriorkis comes in at 140 lbs, not fair my friend.
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    Default Re: 8 lbs lighter Nonito still obliterate Montiel

    if he makes the weight , then the boxers that fight him are that size. He must work hard to make the wieght limit, unless its heavyweight.

    he is beating champs his size

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    Default Re: 8 lbs lighter Nonito still obliterate Montiel

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
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    Nonito was 8lbs lighter? Man how is that possible. He must have a way of hovering over the scales! Watching the fight it looked like in Montiel they had taken an image of a man standing further away and brought it to the foreground.

    I'll take nothing away from what was a fautless performance but Montiel looked at least two weight classes smaller.

    Donaire should be fighting guys like Lopez and Gamboa really, it amazes me he is able to get down to that weight class.
    And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.

    Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?

    lmfao!

    Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.

    I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.

    Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.

    Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.

    Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.

    As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.

    Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.

    He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.

    Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
    Moving up to their proper weight class? Chad Dawson started at 168, but he's been fighting at 175 forever. Honestly Donaire IMO is better than this version of Juan Manuel marquez, or Martinez who hasn't been somebody I respect. Of the guys in the top 10 p4p I would only have PBF and Manny above him.

    I want to see him against Rigondeaux, I still think Guillermo would beat up Nonito because it's a guy who's trying to box and outspeed him. I just don't see Donaire having the same capabilities as Rigondeaux. He's better at taking guys out, and eliciting a response from an opponent, but Guillermo has way better defense, he's quicker, and he's a better technical fighter. That being said they have power, but Nonito can change fights with his power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik View Post
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    Nonito was 8lbs lighter? Man how is that possible. He must have a way of hovering over the scales! Watching the fight it looked like in Montiel they had taken an image of a man standing further away and brought it to the foreground.

    I'll take nothing away from what was a fautless performance but Montiel looked at least two weight classes smaller.

    Donaire should be fighting guys like Lopez and Gamboa really, it amazes me he is able to get down to that weight class.
    And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.

    Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?

    lmfao!

    Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.

    I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.

    Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.

    Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.

    Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.

    As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.

    Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.

    He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.

    Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
    Actually that's my mentality too Bilbo, but let's be OBJECTIVE here is he Montiel actually the functionally heavier guy in there tonight? Is HBO lying is there a conspiracy?

    Yeah I can't explain it to be fair. I mean he's clearly the naturally much bigger man. It was like the size difference between Manny and Oscar where Oscar despite being much bigger weighed in lighter on fightnight.

    But he was a shell of a fighter whereas Donaire seems to perform at peak level whilst being, according to the scales weight seriously dehydrated.

    It's definitely a freak gift, like it was for Paul Williams at welter. But I want to see him against guys his own size. Him and Gamboa or Lopez is a great fight.

    To be honest if it wasn't for all the hype around I could really like him. No doubting his talent, he has literally destroyed two of the best fighters in the division now.

    But Lopez was doing that when he started out. As the opposition got tougher and bigger he hasnt been looking nearly as good.

    I wont be convinced that Donaire is top 4 p4p until he's beaten a legit champ his own size.
    nonito's fight night weight tonight is 126 lbs, if im not mistaken both juan ma and yuriorkis comes in at 140 lbs, not fair my friend.
    it's no different than what Donaire would do to his opponents at lower weights, i don't think he should move up yet cause he has plenty of names at 118, but IMO a move to 122 would be only natural and i don't know how he'd handle the likes of Nishioka and Vazquez Jr, personally i don't think he'd handle the power too well, but he'd still be effective if his speed remains intact

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    Nonito was 8lbs lighter? Man how is that possible. He must have a way of hovering over the scales! Watching the fight it looked like in Montiel they had taken an image of a man standing further away and brought it to the foreground.

    I'll take nothing away from what was a fautless performance but Montiel looked at least two weight classes smaller.

    Donaire should be fighting guys like Lopez and Gamboa really, it amazes me he is able to get down to that weight class.
    And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.

    Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?

    lmfao!

    Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.

    I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.

    Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.

    Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.

    Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.

    As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.

    Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.

    He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.

    Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
    Actually that's my mentality too Bilbo, but let's be OBJECTIVE here is he Montiel actually the functionally heavier guy in there tonight? Is HBO lying is there a conspiracy?

    Yeah I can't explain it to be fair. I mean he's clearly the naturally much bigger man. It was like the size difference between Manny and Oscar where Oscar despite being much bigger weighed in lighter on fightnight.

    But he was a shell of a fighter whereas Donaire seems to perform at peak level whilst being, according to the scales weight seriously dehydrated.

    It's definitely a freak gift, like it was for Paul Williams at welter. But I want to see him against guys his own size. Him and Gamboa or Lopez is a great fight.

    To be honest if it wasn't for all the hype around I could really like him. No doubting his talent, he has literally destroyed two of the best fighters in the division now.

    But Lopez was doing that when he started out. As the opposition got tougher and bigger he hasnt been looking nearly as good.

    I wont be convinced that Donaire is top 4 p4p until he's beaten a legit champ his own size.
    nonito's fight night weight tonight is 126 lbs, if im not mistaken both juan ma and yuriorkis comes in at 140 lbs, not fair my friend.
    it's no different than what Donaire would do to his opponents at lower weights, i don't think he should move up yet cause he has plenty of names at 118, but IMO a move to 122 would be only natural and i don't know how he'd handle the likes of Nishioka and Vazquez Jr, personally i don't think he'd handle the power too well, but he'd still be effective if his speed remains intact
    If Max Kellerman is right about Kameda generating $uperbowl hype. Then financially wise, Donaire got to fight him in Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by :::PSL::: View Post
    if nonito wins this does that make him a 4 weight champ?
    hopefully he goes for the undisputed 118 lb goal first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavlik View Post
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    if nonito wins this does that make him a 4 weight champ?
    hopefully he goes for the undisputed 118 lb goal first.
    Maybe in the eyes of some people. But WBA interim is garbage belt to me. So imho, I don't think so.

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    Funny how predictable this place is. You don't have to watch a fight to know who won. All you gotta do is look around and see who ISN'T here. LMAO!



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