Top 5 P4P Now?

[Kev]

Calderon was a two weight champion. That adds roughly 500 more fighters to the 311.

That means he was the king of 800 boxers. Which is the equivalent of topping the super-middleweight division.

So if you think Ward is P4P worthy based on his exploits at 168 then mathematically so is Calderon. Fact.

Not really. Firstly he picked up belts in two divisions, he wasnt king as demonstrated by the fact he just got knocked out trying to unify.

Furthermore he never really moved up to become a two weight champ. He started his career at 107 then moved down to win a 105 title and then went back up

In his entire career the difference between his max and min weights is less than 4lbs. Against Segura he weighed the same as he did on his debut so he has hardly torn through the divisions a la Pacquaio or Barrera, Morales, Marquez etc.

Hes a great defensive fighter but I highly doubt he would have been as succesful as a welterweight without more power. IN fact I challenge you to name a fighter in the higher weight classes who was as highly rated as Calderon with as little power in the past 20 years? 30 years?

As for a comparison to Ward. Not many have Ward on their p4p lists unless I am much mistaken? Also I think Wards potential to achieve more than Calderon is very likely. Most would believe that Ward could ultimately be competitive as high as 175 and still be a world champ, certainly he will likely attempt that eventually.

Calderon has gone up 3 lbs, and even that was going back up th where started out originally rather than climbing to face bigger guys.

[Fenster]

Calderon was a two weight champion. That adds roughly 500 more fighters to the 311.

That means he was the king of 800 boxers. Which is the equivalent of topping the super-middleweight division.

So if you think Ward is P4P worthy based on his exploits at 168 then mathematically so is Calderon. Fact.

Not really. Firstly he picked up belts in two divisions, he wasnt king as demonstrated by the fact he just got knocked out trying to unify.

Furthermore he never really moved up to become a two weight champ. He started his career at 107 then moved down to win a 105 title and then went back up

In his entire career the difference between his max and min weights is less than 4lbs. Against Segura he weighed the same as he did on his debut so he has hardly torn through the divisions a la Pacquaio or Barrera, Morales, Marquez etc.

Hes a great defensive fighter but I highly doubt he would have been as succesful as a welterweight without more power. IN fact I challenge you to name a fighter in the higher weight classes who was as highly rated as Calderon with as little power in the past 20 years? 30 years?

As for a comparison to Ward. Not many have Ward on their p4p lists unless I am much mistaken? Also I think Wards potential to achieve more than Calderon is very likely. Most would believe that Ward could ultimately be competitive as high as 175 and still be a world champ, certainly he will likely attempt that eventually.

Calderon has gone up 3 lbs, and even that was going back up th where started out originally rather than climbing to face bigger guys.

All of that is utterly irrelevant.

You are denigrating his achievements by highlighting a smaller pool of fighters in the lighter divisions. But he fought, and had world-class success, in two weightclasses, which gives him a pool of 800 fighters not 300.

800 is a similar amount to certain other high-profile divisions, where a fighter can be ranked P4P for his success purely at that weight.

Whether you think he's P4P or not doesn't matter to me. Just pointing out a slight flaw in your argument

[Kev]

Calderon was a two weight champion. That adds roughly 500 more fighters to the 311.

That means he was the king of 800 boxers. Which is the equivalent of topping the super-middleweight division.

So if you think Ward is P4P worthy based on his exploits at 168 then mathematically so is Calderon. Fact.

Not really. Firstly he picked up belts in two divisions, he wasnt king as demonstrated by the fact he just got knocked out trying to unify.

Furthermore he never really moved up to become a two weight champ. He started his career at 107 then moved down to win a 105 title and then went back up

In his entire career the difference between his max and min weights is less than 4lbs. Against Segura he weighed the same as he did on his debut so he has hardly torn through the divisions a la Pacquaio or Barrera, Morales, Marquez etc.

Hes a great defensive fighter but I highly doubt he would have been as succesful as a welterweight without more power. IN fact I challenge you to name a fighter in the higher weight classes who was as highly rated as Calderon with as little power in the past 20 years? 30 years?

As for a comparison to Ward. Not many have Ward on their p4p lists unless I am much mistaken? Also I think Wards potential to achieve more than Calderon is very likely. Most would believe that Ward could ultimately be competitive as high as 175 and still be a world champ, certainly he will likely attempt that eventually.

Calderon has gone up 3 lbs, and even that was going back up th where started out originally rather than climbing to face bigger guys.

All of that is utterly irrelevant.

You are denigrating his achievements by highlighting a smaller pool of fighters in the lighter divisions. But he fought, and had world-class success, in two weightclasses, which gives him a pool of 800 fighters not 300.

800 is a similar amount to certain other high-profile divisions, where a fighter can be ranked P4P for his success purely at that weight.

Whether you think he's P4P or not doesn't matter to me. Just pointing out a slight flaw in your argument

I don't really disagree with that. I've never objected to Calderon's status either when he did finally make it to the lower end of the p4p rankings. He was unbeaten and had proven himself over many years.

Not really sure Segura has done that though. Yes he's beaten the 36 year old Calderon, who by light flyweight standards is ancient, but he's not justified in that why he has done more to merit p4p status than for example Hopkins, Froch, Ward, Bute, Pascal, Mosley, Cotto etc all of whom are as officially not as good as him.

If he fought in an established weight class people would be far more critical of his resume , highlighting his defeat a couple years ago to Cesar Canchila, a fighter who boxrec shows me was destroyed by a 13-0 fighter last time out, being put down 5 times on way to being ko'd. His 'superstar' conquerer was himself defeated last time out by another 12-1-1 stud who in turn lost a close fight to a 11-1-1 beast in Jesus Gales. A quick look at his record shows he lost in 2009 to a 1-7-2 fighter.

Have you EVER seen such bullshit as this in the proper weight classes?