The Solution: Create a Superheavyweight Division FAST!

[Kev]

Heavyweights reach a critical mass... the big ones tend to either be shite or plain out of shape. There simply isn't enough legitimate big men to need a whole new division.

I agree... I really do but I just feel that the bridge between Light Heavyweight And Heavyweight isn't facilitated by Cruiserweight at all.

Light Heavyweights don't hardly ever move upto Cruiserweight and Cruiserweights don't ever fight at Heavyweight.

Of course Haye has kicked off a little trend but I bet that'll fizzle out as soon as Ademek gets his blocked knocked of by KitschkoTBA

Completely untrue. Michael Spinks, Evander Holyfield, Roy Jones Jr, James Toney, David Haye, Tomasz Adamek, Jean Marc Mormeck, even Antonio Tarver have all had heavyweight fights and 5 of them have won world titles, although Toney didn't keep his.

The heavyweight limit is already very different and much higher from what it used to be and is essentially already superheavyweight.

Rocky Marciano, Joe Luis and Jack Dempsey all weighed under 200lbs and would be fighting in the cruiserweight division in today's weight limits.

Considering they are three of the top 10 greatest heavies of all time, arguably top 5 it's really hard to justify having another two weight divisions above them.

[Spicoli]

It's the allure (big name money ?!) of the hvy division that ensures Cruiser is mostly looked at as a jumping off point. Few have ever been content to end career at cruiser. I don't attribute the shortcomings to size as much as skills, being long in career or lifestyle etc. Cooper 'could' have been a superb cruiser but def would have still hit the pipe? Ruiz had a fast none clinchy style at cruiser but was yng with 'skill' to fall back on at hvy. Moorer skipped division completely from lt hvy and WAS a capable hvy, his chin was just made of matchsticks.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

light heavyweights don't hardly ever move upto cruiserweight and cruiserweights don't ever fight at heavyweight.

completely untrue. Michael spinks, evander holyfield, roy jones jr, james toney, david haye, tomasz adamek, jean marc mormeck, even antonio tarver have all had heavyweight fights and 5 of them have won world titles, although toney didn't keep his.

Okay so there's a few but come off it Bil. Compare that list to how many Featherweights who have moved up to Lightweight... Or Lightweights who have moved up to Welterweight... Superfeatherwights to Welterweights even!

You see what I mean?

What Im talking about is making guys who weigh around 200-220lbs more accessible to smaller men... Light Heavyweights and such (like they used to be with the likes of Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe, Billy Con, Harry Greb, George Carpintier etc), while keeping the 210+ monsters out of it.

Now with that in mind, review your list:

Roy Jones:
He had just one fight at Heavyweight. Against John Ruiz, a man on my list.
He would of been annihilated by Bowe, Lewis or the Klitschko's.
James Toney:
If he had an intermidiate weight limit, he would of fought at it for as long as his gut could hold out.
He would of been annihilated by Bowe, Lewis or the Klitschko's.
Jean Marc Mormeck:
Can't make 200 anymore and is gunnng for David Haye. Fact
He would of been annihilated by Bowe, Lewis or the Klitschko's.
David Haye:
Another one who was tight at the Weight. He would of fought at 210lbs if he could.
He would of been annihilated by Bowe, Lewis or the Klitschko's.
Tomasz Ademek:
He would of fought at 210lbs if he could.
He would of been annihilated by Bowe, Lewis and WILL be Klitschko's.
Evander Holyfield
Although admittedly Holyfield is the only genuine exception to the rule he DID go 1-1-3 with Bowe & Lewis and would probably fair worse with the Klitschko's.
Michael Spinks & Michael Moorer (who you missed btw):
Both jumped the Cruiserweight division probably because it was shit (but it could be so much better!!!)
Both would of been annihilated by Bowe, Lewis or the Klitschko's.

the heavyweight limit is already very different and much higher from what it used to be and is essentially already superheavyweight.

In Olympic Boxing terms yes but most boxers weight much more as a Pro Boxer than they do as an Amateur. It is very rare that you see a boxer fighting at the weight that they won their amateur medal at (in and around the heavyweight limit).

Rocky marciano, joe luis and jack dempsey all weighed under 200lbs and would be fighting in the cruiserweight division in today's weight limits.

And that would be completely appropriate because all three of those would get anihalated by the likes of Bowe, Lewis & the Klitschko's

Considering they are three of the top 10 greatest heavies of all time, arguably top 5 it's really hard to justify having another two weight divisions above them.

It's called moving with the times Bill. Rocky Marciano weighed over 189lbs like once in his whole career. You could even probably count on your three fingers how many times Louis, Dempsey & Marciano fought guys who weighed heavier than 215lbs

It's funny you should mention those guys though Bill because they fought the likes of Walcott, Ezzard, Conn, Carpentier... Because it has to be argued that for these tiny opponents, the heavyweight division would be unaccessible... Simply because these days, the majority of men fight at 220+

The gap still needs bridging Bil.

[brocktonblockbust]

a super HW division would totaly devalue boxing golden egg ie the HW title for ever.

you mean boxing's ROTTEN egg.

[nikola_ganchev]

Once again this thread. We don't need no more weight classes. We don't need so many belts. What we need is better educated, faster, better condiotioned, natural heavyweights. We don't need mexican/european heavy bags. Why they still think that boxing from their frond leg with this earmuffins and big bellys will make them successful? The wey this tall guys are boxing now is so disadvantages if the shorter goys box properly against them! Why no one is saying Tyson was in disadvantage against Golota? Tyson is short! But he uses his hight in his advantage. It's the same with all oldtimers. Back than there were alot of big guys too which were better schoold and what do they dominated the devision? No but all the oder guys were boxing correctly! Modern examles are James Toney and David Tua. Did Rahman(guy who KOed Lewis) beat badly Tua or Toney or was the oder way around. Or Samuel Petter destroyed Toney? Or Lewis did something to Tua? First they both have some skills and take full advantage of their posture and second they are both cripled by their weight! But they weren dominated by no one evan with their hights of 1.78 m (5 ft 10 in) Tua, 5 ft 9 in (1.75 m) Toney or Mike Tyson Height: 5'11" (180 cm) ! This are midjits and they have no chance in heavyweight my A**!
When you are short and you goes down with what will this 5 meter hight nonmoving non courdinated punks hit you? If he reaches down to touch you he is dead. What he throws have no power on it. The only thing what he can do is run all night long and clinch you when you go inside to get him! And here is tha magic simply don't go inside!
Once again i am going to say it:Being heigher is really advantageos against mexican punching bags who thinks that going with this earmuffins straight in can do something! But if you go into proper stance into crouch they are in deep trouble! You can move and STEP with your punches. This means that you have the oportunity to kiss him for good night when it need be.At the end in horizontal position we are all the same hight...Yes it takes sometime to lean but the benefits are really serious!

[Mar]

The absolute last thing this sport needs is another division with more belts, more bullshit and more clutter. Hey i can tell you right now how to fix the division. Have these guys quit bitching about the klitchko's and spend that energy and time figuring out how to beat them. I know a whole lot of people hate them but i find it amazing that these two have completly shut down a division...shit to the point now we want to make another division that hopefully they won't play in. Screw that don't let these guys off the hook. Fight and beat the best......not avoid them cause you can't.