Thoughts on Andre Berto vs Victor Ortiz??

[El Kabong]

I don't think Berto has a great chin but Ortiz has shown a lack of heart before I doubt Berto is worse than him in that area....fighters can "learn to lose" and Ortiz seems like he's reached that point and once you reach it it's easier to go back there.

[Hulk]

I don't think Berto has a great chin but Ortiz has shown a lack of heart before I doubt Berto is worse than him in that area....fighters can "learn to lose" and Ortiz seems like he's reached that point and once you reach it it's easier to go back there.

Ortiz has become pretty passive in the ring lately, I mean he def beat Peterson, that draw was horse shit, but still he let up on the guy ! He coulda taken him outta there and should have !

Plus Ortiz is too small for Berto.

Berto should be able to overwhelm Ortiz in the early rounds and get him outta there.

This is a bit of a mismatch IMO.

[El Kabong]

I don't think Berto has a great chin but Ortiz has shown a lack of heart before I doubt Berto is worse than him in that area....fighters can "learn to lose" and Ortiz seems like he's reached that point and once you reach it it's easier to go back there.

Ortiz has become pretty passive in the ring lately, I mean he def beat Peterson, that draw was horse shit, but still he let up on the guy ! He coulda taken him outta there and should have !

Plus Ortiz is too small for Berto.

Berto should be able to overwhelm Ortiz in the early rounds and get him outta there.

This is a bit of a mismatch IMO.

The hand speed alone will be too much for Ortiz let alone the size

[chinchekked]

Just a little observation, my heart says that Berto will rise to the occasion and beat Ortiz but I am worried about Berto. A friend of mine pointed something out about Berto. When he throws combos that finish with right hands he has a tendency to drop his left really low. He has other defensive issues so I would not be shocked if he got caught.

[No Contest]

Ortiz's problem in my opinion is killer instinct. He doesnt finish people off when he has em in trouble, and tends to fade as the fight goes on. If Berto is cautious in the first half, he should take over around mid rounds. Ortiz can box a bit, but has bad habits like bouncing back and forth, he could get timed easy by a good counter puncher.I think Berto by late rounds stoppage.

[Julius Rain]

Berto will eat Ortizs heart.

Ortiz is in the wrong business. He shouldn't be dub vicious.

[JonnyFolds]

I don't think Berto has a great chin but Ortiz has shown a lack of heart before I doubt Berto is worse than him in that area....fighters can "learn to lose" and Ortiz seems like he's reached that point and once you reach it it's easier to go back there.

Ortiz has become pretty passive in the ring lately, I mean he def beat Peterson, that draw was horse shit, but still he let up on the guy ! He coulda taken him outta there and should have !

Plus Ortiz is too small for Berto.

Berto should be able to overwhelm Ortiz in the early rounds and get him outta there.


This is a bit of a mismatch IMO.

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[DonFlamenco]

I sometimes wonder about Berto's defense and how he would react if really pressed.....just don't think that Ortiz is the guy to expose any weaknesses that may be there.

[DonFlamenco]

Agree or disagree??

[Pavlik]

chinchecker fight for Berto. I honestly think Vic has a chance if he has more confidence in himself.