Thoughts on Andre Berto vs Victor Ortiz??

**Spicoli** · 03-03-2011 09:04 PM

This is a true boys-to-men fight and match up. I think both are flawed works in progress with Ortiz having openly questioned himself and fought a bit pensive and on the other hand Berto gets stuck in between styles and looks mentally unhinged at times. Corner seems to have to talk him up on occasion. Someone will be forced to take punishment and assert damage in return to take win. I can see both guys being able to hurt the other often.

The size is comparable as Berto has been above 150 early and no matter what scale says...Ortiz is above weight. Just look at his back and spread. Berto is more squat and front heavy while Ortiz looks longer and wider. Ortiz has been in the hurt trenches knows what it is to lose and get peeled off the canvas where Bertos biggest scrap and test was Collazo. A different style with movement and cagey game. Berto closed nice in that fight but what Ortiz lacks in guile he makes up in the equalizer...power down the middle which Andre is susceptible to and Berto squares up ALOT and jumps in off big lead shots and can be worked.

Most pleased they are meeting at this point. I get the feel both camps are taking a 'sink or swim' approach to this one. Two guys with loads of talent and potential but just not able-willing to grab spotlight and kick in the front door to notoriety. Make a statement! In Fairness Ortiz had it with Maidana and got balled up, Maidana has surpassed him. Berto for whatever reason has been in limbo and must break through. See it starting slow...feeling out and Ortiz goes boxer with movement. In close Berto gets his attention early but for the life of me I keep seeing Ortiz avoiding 1-2 fast volleys and landing hard straight in return when it gets messy. Flip a coin but right now I think Ortiz stops him late. As long as its clean either way and no bs I'm happy, Need more early crossroad type fights like this.

**Pavlik** · 03-05-2011 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Spicoli

This is a true boys-to-men fight and match up. I think both are flawed works in progress with Ortiz having openly questioned himself and fought a bit pensive and on the other hand Berto gets stuck in between styles and looks mentally unhinged at times. Corner seems to have to talk him up on occasion. Someone will be forced to take punishment and assert damage in return to take win. I can see both guys being able to hurt the other often.

The size is comparable as Berto has been above 150 early and no matter what scale says...Ortiz is above weight. Just look at his back and spread. Berto is more squat and front heavy while Ortiz looks longer and wider. Ortiz has been in the hurt trenches knows what it is to lose and get peeled off the canvas where Bertos biggest scrap and test was Collazo. A different style with movement and cagey game. Berto closed nice in that fight but what Ortiz lacks in guile he makes up in the equalizer...power down the middle which Andre is susceptible to and Berto squares up ALOT and jumps in off big lead shots and can be worked.

Most pleased they are meeting at this point. I get the feel both camps are taking a 'sink or swim' approach to this one. Two guys with loads of talent and potential but just not able-willing to grab spotlight and kick in the front door to notoriety. Make a statement! In Fairness Ortiz had it with Maidana and got balled up, Maidana has surpassed him. Berto for whatever reason has been in limbo and must break through. See it starting slow...feeling out and Ortiz goes boxer with movement. In close Berto gets his attention early but for the life of me I keep seeing Ortiz avoiding 1-2 fast volleys and landing hard straight in return when it gets messy. Flip a coin but right now I think Ortiz stops him late. As long as its clean either way and no bs I'm happy, Need more early crossroad type fights like this.

great! Amen to that!!!

**Mar** · 03-05-2011 02:56 AM

I know a lot of people hate berto, he's extremly overpaid (like any of us would say oh no here take a million back i'm not that good yet), i even hate how much he holds (mainly cause just like ward he doesn't need to), and he kinda undeservedly got the belt in the first place (like those belts mean a rats ass anyone, hell canelo or matt hattton is getting one this weekend speak of bullshit) but the dude really isn't that bad. He's pretty acurate, strong, fast as shit. He aint the greatest but he'll beat ortiz's ass. And i like ortiz actually too. People say i'm crazy but i think berto is really underrated in the ring wise.