Wlad vs the ATG HWs such as Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Lewis, etc.

[Master]

OK Ernie Terrell, better or worse than Wlad?

Worse but Ali is still better than Wlad.

[El Kabong]

OK Ernie Terrell, better or worse than Wlad?

Worse but Ali is still better than Wlad.

...I'm not arguing that point, I'm just giving an example, I mean Primo Carnera was a huge mofo but you wouldn't say Max Baer whipped the crap out of him and since he was a similar size to Wlad then Max Baer would have an easy time with Wlad...it doesn't work that way

[generalbulldog]

Fine then on Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman are question marks on whether or not they beat Wlad.

Lewis on the other hand more than likely whips him. Hell I'll take the past his prime 38 year old, fat, out of shape, woefully inactive Lennox to whip Wlad.

The worst version of Lennox was still able to take massive shots from Vitali and do this to him. I don't think he would turn Wlad's face into "pizza face." Just a brutal knockout that's all. If a past his prime 38 year old Lennox can take Vitali's huge shots like they were nothing, then I don't see how Wlad hurts him. On the other hand I don't think Wlad could take massive rights from Lennox.

[zhubin]

Majesty, great clip on Ali's reflexes. At his absolute prime...there has never been a heavyweight who can even come close to his footwork, speed, and reflexes.

Wlad is a huge guy with a good skill set. But boxing isn't always about size. It is about the intangibles: heart, chin, adapting, etc. Wlad is chinny....which immediately puts him at a huge disadvantage against monster punchers like Tyson or Foreman. He has been tagged by much lesser fighters...so you would have to think guys like Tyson, Foreman, and Lewis would connect and finish him.

While Wlad has a good skill set for a big guy...he is a bit mechanical. Fighters like Ali, Holmes, and Holyfield (while not having the enormous size) are very skilled and crafty. Not to mention great chins.

I think we can all agree that recent years have been some of the weakest in the history of the heavyweight division. Certainly not Wlad's fault...but i just don't see the evidence to back up that he would beat some of the greats of the past.