Cotto vs Margarito II

[TitoFan]

Oh shit.... here we go again. I can understand (and utterly respect) Cotto for wanting to avenge his loss to MargaCHEATO. But damn! It's a risky proposition. These are the key factors, IMO:

1. Psychological factor - I put this one first because it's going to come up in the pre-fight analyses. Miguel has to overcome that psychological factor of facing someone who beat him up badly the first time around. Although, if anyone has a strong mind and can deal with that kind of thing, it's Cotto.

2. Cotto's game plan - IMO, his getting together with Emanuel was by FAR the best thing to have happened to his career. His uncle was only going to take him so far, and Joe Santiago (no disrespect intended) was a nobody in the corner. Cotto had a lousy game plan against MargaCHEATO the first time around, and he had a lousy game plan against Pacquiao.

3. Weight of the fight - Again, IMO, the heavier they fight, the more it favors MargaCHEATO. Hey, he's taller and naturally the bigger guy. Like someone said in another thread... Cotto is a stocky junior middleweight. MargaCHEATO is a full-blown junior middleweight.

4. Cotto's stamina - Against MargaCHEATO the first time around, Cotto lost his steam after the 6th or 7th round. Yet against Mayorga, he showed good stamina, culminating with a TKO win in the 12th. Emanuel has got to work to maintain Cotto's conditioning to avoid a repeat of the first MargaCHEATO fight.


I'm torn... I'd love nothing more than for Cotto to avenge his loss to MargaCHEATO... but I'd absolutely hate to see Cotto lose to the bum again. At least I know he'll be totally prepared, with Emanuel in his corner. Emanuel has already thrown a few tidbits of wisdom out there, like saying that Cotto would need to put some power behind his punches and not throw them while backing up. He did that in the first fight and it got him nowhere. I hope Emanuel AND Cotto study the Mosley- MargaCHEATO fight, which is the perfect blueprint on beating Margarito. Cotto may not be as physically strong as Mosley... but if fights in close and makes MargaCHEATO back up, and attacks the body with his lethal left hook.... he should be able to kick his ass.

Me? I'll be on sedatives the night of the fight.

[CFH]

Cotto's going to get TKO'd again. He'll outbox Margarito for 90% of the fight, but as soon as he slows and starts getting hit it's going to be over - he simply doesn't have the chin or the stamina to beat Margarito. Also, I really think Margarito is in Cotto's head. I know he's a low-key guy, but he really doesn't seem to want the rematch and I'd wager that the only reason it's happening is because Bob Arum is pushing him into it.

Margarito TKO Cotto 10. That's my prediction.

[CutMeMick]

Cotto's going to get TKO'd again. He'll outbox Margarito for 90% of the fight, but as soon as he slows and starts getting hit it's going to be over - he simply doesn't have the chin or the stamina to beat Margarito. Also, I really think Margarito is in Cotto's head. I know he's a low-key guy, but he really doesn't seem to want the rematch and I'd wager that the only reason it's happening is because Bob Arum is pushing him into it.

Margarito TKO Cotto 10. That's my prediction.

If the fight get's made I would gladly be up for a friendly bet.
Loser takes it up Shit Pipe.

Seriously though I'd be up for a bet... Let me know.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Cotto's going to get TKO'd again. He'll outbox Margarito for 90% of the fight, but as soon as he slows and starts getting hit it's going to be over - he simply doesn't have the chin or the stamina to beat Margarito. Also, I really think Margarito is in Cotto's head. I know he's a low-key guy, but he really doesn't seem to want the rematch and I'd wager that the only reason it's happening is because Bob Arum is pushing him into it.

Margarito TKO Cotto 10. That's my prediction.

It's how I see it as well. 154 suites Tony far more than Cotto... As if Tony needed something else going for him. He has the mental edge(loaded wraps or not), naturally bigger, volume puncher, stamina and an engine block for a chin. Honestly, if it's not a late stoppage it'll be a decent beating for Tony. Cotto will win the first half of the fight with precision punching and Tony will wear him down and take the later rounds. If I had my way Margarito would have never fought again. ...But I don't.

[CutMeMick]

Why fight him again you already beat him before...
that's how I feel anyway.

But a rematch would be huge and I think Cotto beats him again.

Cotto was soundly beating him in the center of the ring.
The 2nd Cotto would go to the ropes is when Tony did his best work.

That's usually when Tony works his best when opponents are pinned.
Look at all his TKO's most come in this fashion def. Lewis & Cintron off the top of my head.
Tony ladnded his best shot on Pac when Pac was sitting on the ropes.

You have just entered Cutmemicks fantasy land where getting your ass beat means you won. Its a magical place where all your favorite fighters never lose. Bernard Hopkins is there as host, he will show you around. Vic Darchinyan will be guest speaking on how getting knocked unconcious isnt really losing, and that you can actually still fight while unconcious.

It really is...
Here in this magical place Alexis beat Pryor, Cotto beat Tony, Huerta beat Raymkulov, Ortiz beat Diaz and JMM beat Pac twice.
It's the place to be.

[erics44]

the first fight was one of my favourite of recent times, definately one of if not my favourite that didnt involve a british fighter

i just hope its half as good as last time

i reckon margarito will take him again in similar style

[Rantcatrat]

I like Cotto here. Margarito without the gloves won't bust Cotto up the way he did last time. Cotto will make it to the final bell, winning more rounds, ultimately winning on the card.

[El Kabong]

I like Cotto here. Margarito without the gloves won't bust Cotto up the way he did last time. Cotto will make it to the final bell, winning more rounds, ultimately winning on the card.

Toni hasn't won a meaningful fight since getting busted for loaded wraps....coincidence I think not

I think guys that use loaded wraps are psychologically weak fighters that are empowered by the idea of cheating so they take are able to take more punishment knowing they'll deal out more punishment....but without the wraps he's not going to have that same confidence, maybe he'll have more confidence knowing he's already beaten Cotto before, but Toni has taken some beating recently, I mean BIG beatings

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I like Cotto here. Margarito without the gloves won't bust Cotto up the way he did last time. Cotto will make it to the final bell, winning more rounds, ultimately winning on the card.

Toni hasn't won a meaningful fight since getting busted for loaded wraps....coincidence I think not

I think guys that use loaded wraps are psychologically weak fighters that are empowered by the idea of cheating so they take are able to take more punishment knowing they'll deal out more punishment....but without the wraps he's not going to have that same confidence, maybe he'll have more confidence knowing he's already beaten Cotto before, but Toni has taken some beating recently, I mean BIG beatings

Sure, you could be right but he's also gotten older and is fighting in another weight class. Those are a bunch of variables above and beyond whether or not he had loaded wraps before. (Which I think he did) We'll see.

[Spicoli]

I go with Margarito for exact same reasons as the first time around, to a tee.

[JonnyFolds]

I can't believe they are still trying to justify this fight as legit. But boxing mus have it's villains and superheroes.

Couple things I want people to remember. Margarito is such a bad style matchup for Cotto it isn't funny.

-Cotto is used to being the stronger guy in the ring.
-Cotto counters off of parries (as someone mentioned earlier). Margarito is a combination puncher. Margarito will land something at almost every exchange for this reason. Once Margarito could put a glove on him, granted it took 7 rounds... he is going to change the tune.
-Cotto never ties up. There is no way to slow Margs march other than to tie him up at times and punch him in the ribs. This was one of Mosleys best things he did. He threw 2, 1-2, or 1-2-3 and tied up.
-Margarito has nothing to lose/ Cotto's career is at stake. He will not take another stoppage well this late in his career.
-Cotto has shown me nothing but tentativeness in all his fights (except a few rounds with Pac) since losing to Marg. Marg has made him the scared fighter his is today. Where'd that left hook to the body go anyway?

I hope this fight does not happen. Cotto could match up really well with a lot of other (younger) guys at catchweight or lure them to SWW for some better matchups.

F___ Margarito. He doesn't deserve the payday or the chance for his "redemption." He won yet he is willing to prove without a doubt by taking a rematch.

[Ant Live]

Just my opinion,

Margarito don't deserve to get these fights he's getting. Nonetheless, he is. Therefore, Margarito got a lot of heart and a strong will. A good chin and constant pressure. Margarito trained hard for Pacman and although he was getting blasted out, he never stop coming and didn't give up. Saying all that, Margarito will be a tough fight for Cotto. Not sure if he can pull the win out but right now, it's a 50/50 fight for me.

Key points
1. How hard do Margarito really hit?
2. How good is Cotto's chin?
3. Is Margarito body really soft?

[erics44]

Just my opinion,

Margarito don't deserve to get these fights he's getting. Nonetheless, he is. Therefore, Margarito got a lot of heart and a strong will. A good chin and constant pressure. Margarito trained hard for Pacman and although he was getting blasted out, he never stop coming and didn't give up. Saying all that, Margarito will be a tough fight for Cotto. Not sure if he can pull the win out but right now, it's a 50/50 fight for me.

Key points
1. How hard do Margarito really hit?
2. How good is Cotto's chin?
3. Is Margarito body really soft?

they arent the key points

[erics44]

Just my opinion,

Margarito don't deserve to get these fights he's getting. Nonetheless, he is. Therefore, Margarito got a lot of heart and a strong will. A good chin and constant pressure. Margarito trained hard for Pacman and although he was getting blasted out, he never stop coming and didn't give up. Saying all that, Margarito will be a tough fight for Cotto. Not sure if he can pull the win out but right now, it's a 50/50 fight for me.

Key points
1. How hard do Margarito really hit?
2. How good is Cotto's chin?
3. Is Margarito body really soft?

p.s. does mosley deserve the pacman fight and the massive payday that goes with it?

[HattonTheHammer]

i know it isnt exactly a nice thing to say about a sport i love so dearly, but..


i hope cotto SERIOUSLY hurts the guy if this fight ever happens, put him into retirement