Vitali Klitschko 249.5 - Odlanier Solis 246.9

[Captain America]

I wouldn't confuse being in shape for recreational gym/grappling training with being in shape for a profesional heavyweight contest at the elitest level...

You might feel in shape for what you do... but if you had to output that high an ammount of strength and energy for a sustained ammount of time in the gym... and every time you took your foot off the pedal for a second Vitali Klitscho ran over and smacked you one - you'd probably not feel as well conditioned as you do ripping out a few press ups!

We're talking about boxing here... and if it's not a lack of talent... it will be the ammount of extra dead weight he carries that will be his undoing.

You don't need to tell me that looks and size are not the best way to judge somebody's fitness... but even if Solis was ripped a 250-270 at 6 foot 1, he'd still be too big to be effective for a sustained time... it's only gonna get worse when the level he fights at gets better

The fact that it's dead weight just makes it worse.

He's at a career low... or just about, so he's probably put more work in than usual... but too little too late

He should always be in relativly good shape... and after training like a mother fucker he should now be in unbelievable condition... not 'a few pounds lighter'

He's not 'just naturally fat'

He came from Cuba... defected to become a pro and couldn't moderate himself very well with the sudden influx of freedom and $$$

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From what I've heard he needed to spend less time blowing money in strip clubs and god knows on what else (food being an obvious one) and more time on the road and in the gym.

The fact that he's got his weight down shows he has his act together a little bit at least... but too late in my opinion.

I'm not wrtting him off in this fight completely.. Vitali is starting to look old, but tbh I still expect him to fuck solis up.

I don't disagree with you, and my I'm not trying to imply I could go a few rounds with any pro athlete, and I wasn't aiming that at you. It seems many are writing him off as out of shape, based purely on looks, which is retarded. If he's an undefeated pro and 4 time amateur world champion, I'm guessing he's in shape for boxing, despite looks.

[Spicoli]

Been dwelling on this one. Solis strikes me as a spoiled over stuffed toddler. I think it'll be very interesting to see what will happen if or when .....no if he can get those fast hands in combination with power moving. Looks like a hard guy to 'hurt' or move. The ultimate crossroads fight this one. Vitali is keeping a very fast schedule and is long in the tooth. Gun to my head.....I think Solis scores a standing tko in a stunner. Of course I also said Solis had a shit sloth attitude and fights like hes doing us a favor, would be a bust two months ago

[El Kabong]

....You must be shrooming

Solis had trouble with Ray Austin (the guy Wlad Klitschko KO'd in 2 without throwing 1 right hand) and he's been hurt by the British Babbler (aka the WBA title holder) and you think Vitali is just going to allow Solis to catch him much less hurt him?!?!

Vitali nails Solis early and picks him apart. Sure Solis will be dangerous early, but having lost all that weight I'm betting his punch resistance will be hurt.

[Captain America]

I wouldn't confuse being in shape for recreational gym/grappling training with being in shape for a profesional heavyweight contest at the elitest level...

You might feel in shape for what you do... but if you had to output that high an ammount of strength and energy for a sustained ammount of time in the gym... and every time you took your foot off the pedal for a second Vitali Klitscho ran over and smacked you one - you'd probably not feel as well conditioned as you do ripping out a few press ups!

We're talking about boxing here... and if it's not a lack of talent... it will be the ammount of extra dead weight he carries that will be his undoing.

You don't need to tell me that looks and size are not the best way to judge somebody's fitness... but even if Solis was ripped a 250-270 at 6 foot 1, he'd still be too big to be effective for a sustained time... it's only gonna get worse when the level he fights at gets better

The fact that it's dead weight just makes it worse.

He's at a career low... or just about, so he's probably put more work in than usual... but too little too late

He should always be in relativly good shape... and after training like a mother fucker he should now be in unbelievable condition... not 'a few pounds lighter'

He's not 'just naturally fat'

He came from Cuba... defected to become a pro and couldn't moderate himself very well with the sudden influx of freedom and $$$

[img]http://bilder.bild.de/BILD/sport/meh...height=349.jpg[/img]

From what I've heard he needed to spend less time blowing money in strip clubs and god knows on what else (food being an obvious one) and more time on the road and in the gym.

The fact that he's got his weight down shows he has his act together a little bit at least... but too late in my opinion.

I'm not wrtting him off in this fight completely.. Vitali is starting to look old, but tbh I still expect him to fuck solis up.

I don't disagree with you, and my I'm not trying to imply I could go a few rounds with any pro athlete, and I wasn't aiming that at you. It seems many are writing him off as out of shape, based purely on looks, which is retarded. If he's an undefeated pro and 4 time amateur world champion, I'm guessing he's in shape for boxing, despite looks.

[Spicoli]

....You must be shrooming

Solis had trouble with Ray Austin (the guy Wlad Klitschko KO'd in 2 without throwing 1 right hand) and he's been hurt by the British Babbler (aka the WBA title holder) and you think Vitali is just going to allow Solis to catch him much less hurt him?!?!

Vitali nails Solis early and picks him apart. Sure Solis will be dangerous early, but having lost all that weight I'm betting his punch resistance will be hurt.

Won't defend Austin for a second, was a farce of a 'eliminator'. Don't think Austin gave the trouble so much as Solis just fighting like a bloated slob on cruise control. They are their to be put together, biggest question with him is motivation far as I see. If he fights like that here....he'll regret it very true. Vitali dont have to be concussed to be hurt, just caught often, cut up and working that rigid older frame.

Solis hurt by the Tin-man Dude you going back to the ama's?

[El Kabong]

....Well its not like Solis has been in with anyone dangerous in the pros.

I am however very interested in how Povetkin would fair vs Solis and the WBA title holder.

Vitali is going to cruise because he's always in shape and well prepared...that makes his fights easier.

[Gandalf]

I hope Vitali stomps all over him. Vitali might be getting on, but he is my favourite Klitschko any day of the week and he is simply too big and well conditioned for any other contemporary heavyweight to give him any problems. I hope we get a late career vintage stoppage win and send Solis back to Burger King where he belongs.

[SalTheButcher]

Vitali looks good, but only compared to Solis.

In truth I think he is starting to look like an old fighter. One weigh in isn't a lot to go off but in the pictures that I have seen he looks softer in the body and tireder in the face...

He's never looked as good as Wlad, but there is a definite decline visualy in him, today at least.

Will be interesting to see if he's overtrained/under trained or is just getting old.

Oh and shame on Solis... The biggest fight of his life against one of the best, of not the best fighter in the division and he shows up looking like a marshmallow...

What a joke this sport can be at times...

I've heard of a hungry fighter... This guy gives it a different meaning

vitali is definitely old now, he looked way more sloppy and slow than ever before in his last fight


i hope he retires before he loses to someone who isnt in his league (and probably someone who isnt even marketable enough to benefit the sport)

[El Kabong]

I think Vitali will retire after the Adamek fight unless something crazy happens. There's just no one left for him to fight and the goal of the Klitschko's holding all of the heavyweight titles should be achieved by then so there you go and the next "big" heavyweight fight will be Wlad-Povetkin.

[SalTheButcher]

I think Vitali will retire after the Adamek fight unless something crazy happens. There's just no one left for him to fight and the goal of the Klitschko's holding all of the heavyweight titles should be achieved by then so there you go and the next "big" heavyweight fight will be Wlad-Povetkin.

id be ok with that, the adamek fight is the last fight id care to see him risk losing, and then the one last fight that poses any threat to wlad is povetkin

[El Kabong]

Well Wlad won't retire then he's got to cement his legacy as THE Champ and that could take a couple years.

[Hulk]

....You must be shrooming

Solis had trouble with Ray Austin (the guy Wlad Klitschko KO'd in 2 without throwing 1 right hand) and he's been hurt by the British Babbler (aka the WBA title holder) and you think Vitali is just going to allow Solis to catch him much less hurt him?!?!

Vitali nails Solis early and picks him apart. Sure Solis will be dangerous early, but having lost all that weight I'm betting his punch resistance will be hurt.

Lyle as you well know I have a long documented history of hating the Klitschkos, but as I've mentioned before I do not much care for this fat lazy slob Solis either.

I'm torn on who to root for here a bit, I mean IF Solis was fighting any top heavy besides Klitschko, I'd root for the opponent.

BUT since its Vitali, and Solis is the underdog, so I'll be rooting for Solis.

He should do better than Peter did...

[CFH]

Vitali looks good, but only compared to Solis.

In truth I think he is starting to look like an old fighter. One weigh in isn't a lot to go off but in the pictures that I have seen he looks softer in the body and tireder in the face...

He's never looked as good as Wlad, but there is a definite decline visualy in him, today at least.

Will be interesting to see if he's overtrained/under trained or is just getting old.

Oh and shame on Solis... The biggest fight of his life against one of the best, of not the best fighter in the division and he shows up looking like a marshmallow...

What a joke this sport can be at times...

I've heard of a hungry fighter... This guy gives it a different meaning

To be perfectly honest, I've been almost completely unimpressed with Vitali since his comeback. He looks old and slow, and he just doesn't look like the fighter he used to be (/obvious). He can hang with most HW's because the division is so incredibly shitty and he'll beat Adamek because Adamek is too small, but I think Haye would beat him pretty handily.

[MadboyHandsomeJR]

why is every one writing off solis? i think he's probably the toughest opponent vitali has faced in a while he may not the best of the cuban bunch but he's faced some decent competition.
solis tko 10 ya i said it.

[rjj tszyu]

To be fair, 246lbs aint a bad weight for Solis. I mean like his promoter says, he's very broad across the chest.

He weighed 200lbs when he won the olympics. A good weight for Solis would be 225-230lbs tops. He's not tall for a HW and having a broad chest doesn't make up for being a fat twat. At least he's down from 270lbs now though.