If David Haye loses to Vitali in July...

[BIG H]

every fighter has limitations....how many times did Ali lose the title? Holyfield? Who did Tyson finally lose his title to? Who did Holmes end up losing to? Yes all those fighters I mentioned are all time greats but certain parts of their careers aren't that impressive. I can knit pick fighters with the best of them but what do you want the current fighters to do? What can they do? I mean Wlad could go undefeated for the rest of his career and if he fights to 39-40 like Vitali has then he'll have compiled a very impressive record, but just because he's been down 11 times according to you he isn't a great fighter....ridiculous

Is it

[AdamGB]

every fighter has limitations....how many times did Ali lose the title? Holyfield? Who did Tyson finally lose his title to? Who did Holmes end up losing to? Yes all those fighters I mentioned are all time greats but certain parts of their careers aren't that impressive. I can knit pick fighters with the best of them but what do you want the current fighters to do? What can they do? I mean Wlad could go undefeated for the rest of his career and if he fights to 39-40 like Vitali has then he'll have compiled a very impressive record, but just because he's been down 11 times according to you he isn't a great fighter....ridiculous

Is it

Yes, clearly having an opinion that a fighter who has been knocked down 11 times by lacklustre opponents and subsuquenty fought overly cautiously against vastly smaller, weaker (and again lacklustre) opposition isn't an ATG is ludicrous...

IMO Wlad's resume makes Tyson's look like Ali's... I'm struggling to find a guy on Wlad's resume who I think could have easily beaten Frank Bruno! I know Tyson's resume isn't the strongest... But he is still seen as an ATG, why? Because at least when he had nobodies to fight... He destroyed then, even being the smaller fighter he wouldn't embarassing paw at guys that a supposed ATG should be dispatching of with ease.

If you can only fight the guys out there and you want to be a great, at least do it in an impressive manner.

Wlad is a good fighter, but I can't call him a great... Not yet.