If David Haye loses to Vitali in July...

[BIG H]

God, whatever....if you don't want to watch the fight then why waste your time commenting on it?

When did I say I didn't want to watch it? You smoking tonight?

No, but if you are going to watch the fight then why start bitching about it before it even happens?

Check back mate. I haven't 'bitched' about the fight. I haven't questioned whether it will happen or got involved in any of that. All I have said is that I see limitations in both fighters. Can we only comment on fights where we think both fighters are all time greats?

[El Kabong]

every fighter has limitations....how many times did Ali lose the title? Holyfield? Who did Tyson finally lose his title to? Who did Holmes end up losing to? Yes all those fighters I mentioned are all time greats but certain parts of their careers aren't that impressive. I can knit pick fighters with the best of them but what do you want the current fighters to do? What can they do? I mean Wlad could go undefeated for the rest of his career and if he fights to 39-40 like Vitali has then he'll have compiled a very impressive record, but just because he's been down 11 times according to you he isn't a great fighter....ridiculous

[BIG H]

every fighter has limitations....how many times did Ali lose the title? Holyfield? Who did Tyson finally lose his title to? Who did Holmes end up losing to? Yes all those fighters I mentioned are all time greats but certain parts of their careers aren't that impressive. I can knit pick fighters with the best of them but what do you want the current fighters to do? What can they do? I mean Wlad could go undefeated for the rest of his career and if he fights to 39-40 like Vitali has then he'll have compiled a very impressive record, but just because he's been down 11 times according to you he isn't a great fighter....ridiculous

Is it

[El Kabong]

Yes it is....Wlad can only fight the boxers in his era and thus far he's done extremely well and that my friend is a FACT

[generalbulldog]

Yes it is....Wlad can only fight the boxers in his era and thus far he's done extremely well and that my friend is a FACT

[AdamGB]

This thread has turned from the typical 'debate' that we have seen 100s of times over, with the same old tired arguments into something slightly surreal...

wtf is that picture and wtf did the whole "Fiiiine! Don't watch the fight Big H! I'm taking my ball back home!" outburst come from? Left Field seems like a good answer?

[AdamGB]

every fighter has limitations....how many times did Ali lose the title? Holyfield? Who did Tyson finally lose his title to? Who did Holmes end up losing to? Yes all those fighters I mentioned are all time greats but certain parts of their careers aren't that impressive. I can knit pick fighters with the best of them but what do you want the current fighters to do? What can they do? I mean Wlad could go undefeated for the rest of his career and if he fights to 39-40 like Vitali has then he'll have compiled a very impressive record, but just because he's been down 11 times according to you he isn't a great fighter....ridiculous

Is it

Yes, clearly having an opinion that a fighter who has been knocked down 11 times by lacklustre opponents and subsuquenty fought overly cautiously against vastly smaller, weaker (and again lacklustre) opposition isn't an ATG is ludicrous...

IMO Wlad's resume makes Tyson's look like Ali's... I'm struggling to find a guy on Wlad's resume who I think could have easily beaten Frank Bruno! I know Tyson's resume isn't the strongest... But he is still seen as an ATG, why? Because at least when he had nobodies to fight... He destroyed then, even being the smaller fighter he wouldn't embarassing paw at guys that a supposed ATG should be dispatching of with ease.

If you can only fight the guys out there and you want to be a great, at least do it in an impressive manner.

Wlad is a good fighter, but I can't call him a great... Not yet.

[BIG H]

Yes it is....Wlad can only fight the boxers in his era and thus far he's done extremely well and that my friend is a FACT

Apart from the 11 times that he got landed on his ass

[erics44]

This thread has turned from the typical 'debate' that we have seen 100s of times over, with the same old tired arguments into something slightly surreal...

wtf is that picture and wtf did the whole "Fiiiine! Don't watch the fight Big H! I'm taking my ball back home!" outburst come from? Left Field seems like a good answer?

i just enjoy winding el kabong up

ill stop it now tho im getting a bit bored of it myself

actually tho i might just have one more pop

[El Kabong]

Yes it is....Wlad can only fight the boxers in his era and thus far he's done extremely well and that my friend is a FACT

Apart from the 11 times that he got landed on his ass

55(49 KO's)-3 .....you want to focus on the times he been knocked down, that's your choice, his record speaks for itself. Dominant champion and surefire Hall of Famer

[TitoFan]

In a sick and twisted way, a part of me will be sad when the fight FINALLY DOES HAPPEN, 'cause a lot of great banter will come to an end.

[ryanman]

Yes it is....Wlad can only fight the boxers in his era and thus far he's done extremely well and that my friend is a FACT

Apart from the 11 times that he got landed on his ass

55(49 KO's)-3 .....you want to focus on the times he been knocked down, that's your choice, his record speaks for itself. Dominant champion and surefire Hall of Famer

He didn't just focus on that and he didn't bitch about the fight.

To put he really simply he said -
' Wlad will probably win. BUT Wlad has been down 11 times in his career so Haye has a CHANCE'.
What the fuck is so unreasonable about that? He was saying that 11 times is too many for it to just be dismissed as not relevant.
He has clearly said he thinks Wlad will probably win.

Also, pointing out that both fighters have a chance in a fight doesn't really count as bitching about it.

[Dropanuke]

This fight could go either way, out of the brothers I'd say vitali is the more mobile whilst wlad has the one shot power, haye can win if he pot shots as he did with valuev but valuev didn't stalk like a klitschko. Haye was able to to do what he wanted with valuev, if haye gets drawn into a close scrap then he gets put in a hospital.

[Majesty]

Watching the first round ofthe SOlis fight was actually something that almost convinced me when I thought that Vitali would be the worst matchup for Haye, watching what Solis was able to pull off let me see something, he is slowing down, and he is having a hard time seeing those counter right hands. Solis came in with a great strategy and was executing it well. But what I saw from Vitali was he wasn't as elusive as he used to be, maybe it has something to do with the fact he was mostly a counter puncher that could walk down fighters going backward and had power to back it up. But something about Vitali seems off right now, he got hit more in that first round then I can remember seeing in a while, just counter right counter right counter right and he kept leading and kept getting hit with it. That low left hand is coming back to bite him he doesn't pull away as fast as he used to. Watching that I'm almost convinced Haye would have an easier time beating Vitali then Wlad would. It's like when Sugar Ray Leonard saw Hagler against Mugabi and said he could beat Hagler by what he saw. By what I saw out of Vitali in just that short period of time, I think Haye can beat him. Vitali is slowing down considerably, and maybe it was just that fight but the gap between how he looked two fights ago, to last week is so big, that it makes me wonder if Haye fought Vitali what would happen, Vitali has an iron jaw but even he wouldn't take those straight counter right hands from Haye all night. So who knows but Vitali is vulnerable right now.

[Dropanuke]

All of u people take a look at the weigh in and fight and tell me vitali doesn't look well atall!!