British Current P4P

[Kev]

I think ruiz was mandatory so he must have been top 10

Top ten in that organisation but not in general for the heavyweight division. Thats what im saying. Both Kessler and Abraham are leagues above Ruiz and Harrison and thats in their respective primes and when Haye fought them

i dont disagree, i think froch should be higher than haye

i personally think froch should be much higher than he is in the world p4p rankings

i keep banging on about how martinez is seen, yes he deserves to be to 10 but comparing his record to froches, froch deserves to be higher in my opinion

it would be interesting to know how ruiz was seen by the other organisations when he fought haye

The thing with Froch being p4p is that if you put him in, then Kessler would surely have to go above him, and Ward would have to go above both of them. Then Bute would have to be ranked up there as well. That seems a bit farcical to me. The Supermiddleweight division needs to clarify itself a bit first, wait and see who wins the super six before we make any of those guys p4p.

naa i dont think kes should go above froch just coz he won the fight, and ward coz he beat kes

its like saying cintron should be even with martinez coz he drew with him

and where would you stop?

I don't see how the two compare at all. Cintron was gifted a draw in a fight in which he not only convincingly outboxed but also knocked out.

The Kessler Froch fight was very competitive and Kessler won it. Some have argued Froch may have done enough but absolutely nobody would argue it was a robbery. I thought Kessler shaded it myself and a win is a win at the end of the day.

A better comparison for Martinez would be Paul Williams who won a hotly contested decision over Martinez, and WAS rated higher p4p as a result going into their rematch. Of course he got annihilated but that's another matter.

In the Supermiddleweight rankings it's difficult to have Kessler below Froch considering he beat him in his last fight.

Again Nonito Donaire is a perfect example. He knocked out Darchinyan and then did nothing for three years. Meanwhile Vic rebuilt, became a two weight world champ and rose up into the p4p rankings. As a result of Vic's success Donaiare rose up too always staying abover Darchinyan despite fighting paddy field farmers and fisherman.