should mayweather continue to be ranked in the top P4P in 2011?

[TitoFan]

don't see why he should be removed, both Rafa Marquez and Israel Vazquez were ranked in the top 10 when they had the long layoff after their 3rd fight, Mayweather should have the same treatment

There is a HUGE difference between Marquez & Vazquez, versus Floyd. Israel and Rafa are WARRIORS. They have practically destroyed each other. Their layoffs have been not only well-deserved, but health-mandated. Neither Rafa nor Israel go "cherry-picking" their opponents, nor could they give a RAT'S ASS about who's #1 p4p. They're fighters.... who fight whomever is placed in front of them. So should Mayweather get the same treatment?

See my answer a few posts above.

[IamInuit]

Who cares whether or not he appears on some fabled phantom p4p list? It’s a favourite's list and has nothing really to do with pugilistic endeavor in the way it is applied today. Its a bastardized term void of any real meaning. It actually met something when there were only eight divisions. I can’t stand the tool but he still is arguably the best boxer on the planet so removing him from some marketing list means nothing.

[ElTerribleMorales]

don't see why he should be removed, both Rafa Marquez and Israel Vazquez were ranked in the top 10 when they had the long layoff after their 3rd fight, Mayweather should have the same treatment

There is a HUGE difference between Marquez & Vazquez, versus Floyd. Israel and Rafa are WARRIORS. They have practically destroyed each other. Their layoffs have been not only well-deserved, but health-mandated. Neither Rafa nor Israel go "cherry-picking" their opponents, nor could they give a RAT'S ASS about who's #1 p4p. They're fighters.... who fight whomever is placed in front of them. So should Mayweather get the same treatment?

See my answer a few posts above.

thing is, he's already accomplished more than both Rafa and Izzy, you don't just get judged on your recent performances if not overall accomplishments and how sharp you've looked, Mayweather beating the shit out of (the then lineal Welterweight Champion) Mosley was a lot more impressive than Marquez losing yet again to Vazquez, and apart from Martinez who in the top 3 fights all comers? you know damned well Manny isn't, and unless he gets his way in negotiations the fight doesn't come off (gee who else does that sound like?), so fuck both Pacquiao and Mayweather in my book Sergio Martinez is P4P #1 and that's all that matters, and i've said it once and i'll say it again, he'll beat both easily

[TitoFan]

don't see why he should be removed, both Rafa Marquez and Israel Vazquez were ranked in the top 10 when they had the long layoff after their 3rd fight, Mayweather should have the same treatment

There is a HUGE difference between Marquez & Vazquez, versus Floyd. Israel and Rafa are WARRIORS. They have practically destroyed each other. Their layoffs have been not only well-deserved, but health-mandated. Neither Rafa nor Israel go "cherry-picking" their opponents, nor could they give a RAT'S ASS about who's #1 p4p. They're fighters.... who fight whomever is placed in front of them. So should Mayweather get the same treatment?

See my answer a few posts above.

thing is, he's already accomplished more than both Rafa and Izzy, you don't just get judged on your recent performances if not overall accomplishments and how sharp you've looked, Mayweather beating the shit out of (the then lineal Welterweight Champion) Mosley was a lot more impressive than Marquez losing yet again to Vazquez, and apart from Martinez who in the top 3 fights all comers? you know damned well Manny isn't, and unless he gets his way in negotiations the fight doesn't come off (gee who else does that sound like?), so fuck both Pacquiao and Mayweather in my book Sergio Martinez is P4P #1 and that's all that matters, and i've said it once and i'll say it again, he'll beat both easily

You can't rest on past laurels and expect to keep getting considered p4p. If we're gonna do that.... let's not stop at Mayweather. Let's bring back ANY fighter who's still semi-active and has had a great career. Personally, I'd rather dig a little deeper and find fighters who are FULLY active and leave it all out there for the fans. So what if Marquez's and Vazquez's careers don't quite measure up to Floyd's? For that matter... you can make the point that Sergio's doesn't either (measure up to Floyd's). But who the hell cares? I sure don't. As a fan, give me a Sergio, a Rafa, an Israel ANY day... over the prancing, clowning, inactive Floyd. He's already his OWN biggest fan... but his fan base is surely eroding as he lets time go by without giving the fans what they yearn for..... epic fights. And I do not put Pacquiao in the same category with Floyd. At least Pacquiao FIGHTS. No matter who it is. Pac haters will always find fault with Pac's choice of opponents. It's the nature of the game. But at least Pac FIGHTS.

IMO, Floyd may have been p4p a while back. But he's given up that throne a LONG time ago.

[ElTerribleMorales]

don't see why he should be removed, both Rafa Marquez and Israel Vazquez were ranked in the top 10 when they had the long layoff after their 3rd fight, Mayweather should have the same treatment

There is a HUGE difference between Marquez & Vazquez, versus Floyd. Israel and Rafa are WARRIORS. They have practically destroyed each other. Their layoffs have been not only well-deserved, but health-mandated. Neither Rafa nor Israel go "cherry-picking" their opponents, nor could they give a RAT'S ASS about who's #1 p4p. They're fighters.... who fight whomever is placed in front of them. So should Mayweather get the same treatment?

See my answer a few posts above.

thing is, he's already accomplished more than both Rafa and Izzy, you don't just get judged on your recent performances if not overall accomplishments and how sharp you've looked, Mayweather beating the shit out of (the then lineal Welterweight Champion) Mosley was a lot more impressive than Marquez losing yet again to Vazquez, and apart from Martinez who in the top 3 fights all comers? you know damned well Manny isn't, and unless he gets his way in negotiations the fight doesn't come off (gee who else does that sound like?), so fuck both Pacquiao and Mayweather in my book Sergio Martinez is P4P #1 and that's all that matters, and i've said it once and i'll say it again, he'll beat both easily

You can't rest on past laurels and expect to keep getting considered p4p. If we're gonna do that.... let's not stop at Mayweather. Let's bring back ANY fighter who's still semi-active and has had a great career. Personally, I'd rather dig a little deeper and find fighters who are FULLY active and leave it all out there for the fans. So what if Marquez's and Vazquez's careers don't quite measure up to Floyd's? For that matter... you can make the point that Sergio's doesn't either (measure up to Floyd's). But who the hell cares? I sure don't. As a fan, give me a Sergio, a Rafa, an Israel ANY day... over the prancing, clowning, inactive Floyd. He's already his OWN biggest fan... but his fan base is surely eroding as he lets time go by without giving the fans what they yearn for..... epic fights. And I do not put Pacquiao in the same category with Floyd. At least Pacquiao FIGHTS. No matter who it is. Pac haters will always find fault with Pac's choice of opponents. It's the nature of the game. But at least Pac FIGHTS.

IMO, Floyd may have been p4p a while back. But he's given up that throne a LONG time ago.

p4p originally was based on 2 things, skill (at the moment) and accomplishments, neither Marquez or Vazquez measured up to the level Floyd is still at today, you're ranting on about Pac haters but the same can be said about Floyd haters, you don't have to be a fan of the guy to know that still skill-wise he's head and shoulders above anyone under the top 3 guys on the p4p list, either way as the guy before my post said, all the p4p list has become is a flavor of the month club, whoever is most popular at the moment gets on, so take him off all you want, his first fight back against ANYONE and he'll be back at either #1 or #2, you can bet your house on that

[TitoFan]

don't see why he should be removed, both Rafa Marquez and Israel Vazquez were ranked in the top 10 when they had the long layoff after their 3rd fight, Mayweather should have the same treatment

There is a HUGE difference between Marquez & Vazquez, versus Floyd. Israel and Rafa are WARRIORS. They have practically destroyed each other. Their layoffs have been not only well-deserved, but health-mandated. Neither Rafa nor Israel go "cherry-picking" their opponents, nor could they give a RAT'S ASS about who's #1 p4p. They're fighters.... who fight whomever is placed in front of them. So should Mayweather get the same treatment?

See my answer a few posts above.

thing is, he's already accomplished more than both Rafa and Izzy, you don't just get judged on your recent performances if not overall accomplishments and how sharp you've looked, Mayweather beating the shit out of (the then lineal Welterweight Champion) Mosley was a lot more impressive than Marquez losing yet again to Vazquez, and apart from Martinez who in the top 3 fights all comers? you know damned well Manny isn't, and unless he gets his way in negotiations the fight doesn't come off (gee who else does that sound like?), so fuck both Pacquiao and Mayweather in my book Sergio Martinez is P4P #1 and that's all that matters, and i've said it once and i'll say it again, he'll beat both easily

You can't rest on past laurels and expect to keep getting considered p4p. If we're gonna do that.... let's not stop at Mayweather. Let's bring back ANY fighter who's still semi-active and has had a great career. Personally, I'd rather dig a little deeper and find fighters who are FULLY active and leave it all out there for the fans. So what if Marquez's and Vazquez's careers don't quite measure up to Floyd's? For that matter... you can make the point that Sergio's doesn't either (measure up to Floyd's). But who the hell cares? I sure don't. As a fan, give me a Sergio, a Rafa, an Israel ANY day... over the prancing, clowning, inactive Floyd. He's already his OWN biggest fan... but his fan base is surely eroding as he lets time go by without giving the fans what they yearn for..... epic fights. And I do not put Pacquiao in the same category with Floyd. At least Pacquiao FIGHTS. No matter who it is. Pac haters will always find fault with Pac's choice of opponents. It's the nature of the game. But at least Pac FIGHTS.

IMO, Floyd may have been p4p a while back. But he's given up that throne a LONG time ago.

p4p originally was based on 2 things, skill (at the moment) and accomplishments, neither Marquez or Vazquez measured up to the level Floyd is still at today, you're ranting on about Pac haters but the same can be said about Floyd haters, you don't have to be a fan of the guy to know that still skill-wise he's head and shoulders above anyone under the top 3 guys on the p4p list, either way as the guy before my post said, all the p4p list has become is a flavor of the month club, whoever is most popular at the moment gets on, so take him off all you want, his first fight back against ANYONE and he'll be back at either #1 or #2, you can bet your house on that

That may well be true. I just don't feel like waiting another 5 years before finding out.

[mickeyholmes]

absolutely....not

[IamInuit]

don't see why he should be removed, both Rafa Marquez and Israel Vazquez were ranked in the top 10 when they had the long layoff after their 3rd fight, Mayweather should have the same treatment

There is a HUGE difference between Marquez & Vazquez, versus Floyd. Israel and Rafa are WARRIORS. They have practically destroyed each other. Their layoffs have been not only well-deserved, but health-mandated. Neither Rafa nor Israel go "cherry-picking" their opponents, nor could they give a RAT'S ASS about who's #1 p4p. They're fighters.... who fight whomever is placed in front of them. So should Mayweather get the same treatment?

See my answer a few posts above.

thing is, he's already accomplished more than both Rafa and Izzy, you don't just get judged on your recent performances if not overall accomplishments and how sharp you've looked, Mayweather beating the shit out of (the then lineal Welterweight Champion) Mosley was a lot more impressive than Marquez losing yet again to Vazquez, and apart from Martinez who in the top 3 fights all comers? you know damned well Manny isn't, and unless he gets his way in negotiations the fight doesn't come off (gee who else does that sound like?), so fuck both Pacquiao and Mayweather in my book Sergio Martinez is P4P #1 and that's all that matters, and i've said it once and i'll say it again, he'll beat both easily

You can't rest on past laurels and expect to keep getting considered p4p. If we're gonna do that.... let's not stop at Mayweather. Let's bring back ANY fighter who's still semi-active and has had a great career. Personally, I'd rather dig a little deeper and find fighters who are FULLY active and leave it all out there for the fans. So what if Marquez's and Vazquez's careers don't quite measure up to Floyd's? For that matter... you can make the point that Sergio's doesn't either (measure up to Floyd's). But who the hell cares? I sure don't. As a fan, give me a Sergio, a Rafa, an Israel ANY day... over the prancing, clowning, inactive Floyd. He's already his OWN biggest fan... but his fan base is surely eroding as he lets time go by without giving the fans what they yearn for..... epic fights. And I do not put Pacquiao in the same category with Floyd. At least Pacquiao FIGHTS. No matter who it is. Pac haters will always find fault with Pac's choice of opponents. It's the nature of the game. But at least Pac FIGHTS.

IMO, Floyd may have been p4p a while back. But he's given up that throne a LONG time ago.

p4p originally was based on 2 things, skill (at the moment) and accomplishments, neither Marquez or Vazquez measured up to the level Floyd is still at today, you're ranting on about Pac haters but the same can be said about Floyd haters, you don't have to be a fan of the guy to know that still skill-wise he's head and shoulders above anyone under the top 3 guys on the p4p list, either way as the guy before my post said, all the p4p list has become is a flavor of the month club, whoever is most popular at the moment gets on, so take him off all you want, his first fight back against ANYONE and he'll be back at either #1 or #2, you can bet your house on that

Good post.

Greb fought middleweights, light heavyweights and heavyweights and his heaviest weight was about 170.

Ketchel fought Johnson.

Langford fought anywhere from 135 to heavyweight. Three years after beating the great lightweight Joe Gans he fought Jack Johnson. Sammy has more ko’s then Tyson and Foreman combined.

When I think p4p, I think of these guys not today’s group of 2 fights a year millionaires, a gazillion belts, HBO, PPV and catch weights. That’s not P4P…it’s a bake sale.

And then theirs the Murderers Row crew?

Holman Williams
Charley Burley
Jack Chase
Cocoa Kid
Lloyd Marshall
Kid Tunero
Eddie Booker
Joe Carter
Bert Lytell
Aaron Wade
Archie Moore

I hate to shit on a boxing term but p4p has no real meaning today. Gans fought Langford a day after Holly. A day.

[Gandalf]

Sure fighters aren't as active as in the past, but to hardened boxing fans PFP does matter. Personally, it isn't something I care too much about because it is extremely subjective, but I can see why some fans take it quite seriously. I do think that if a current PFP list is to exist in the eyes of fans then it should consist of current active fighters who are taking part in meaningful bouts, even if only twice a year.

Floyd for me is disqualified in that regard. And Floyd coming back and beating Paulie Malignaggi or whoever should not be enough to put him at the top of the pile. He needs to make the meaningful fights that exist out there for him and that means Manny or Martinez. You can't come back and be top dog on the back of tune up fights. Can Floyd still beat the best in his mid 30's? There is no sign of us finding out as of yet and tune ups aren't going to help us distinguish anything.

I agree with Elterrible that Martinez is the most impressive fighter today in that regard. Straight fights against very solid opposition. No catchweights, no questionable timing of opponents etc. The man is on the trajectory up. Manny has stalled with his leftovers and Floyd has gone AWOL.

[IamInuit]

Sure fighters aren't as active as in the past, but to hardened boxing fans PFP does matter. Whats a hardened boxing fan and define it. Personally, it isn't something I care too much about because it is extremely subjective, but I can see why some fans take it quite seriously. Wait a second... you just tried to justify it? I do think that if a current PFP list is to exist in the eyes of fans then it should consist of current active fighters who are taking part in meaningful bouts, even if only twice a year. The term p4p should be stricken from the list.

Floyd for me is disqualified in that regard. In what regard? And Floyd coming back and beating Paulie Malignaggi or whoever should not be enough to put him at the top of the pile. If Floyd wants a tune up then so be it. He needs to make the meaningful fights that exist out there for him and that means Manny or Martinez. You can't come back and be top dog on the back of tune up fights. Leonard came off a three year retirement. Can Floyd still beat the best in his mid 30's? Can Hopkins? There is no sign of us finding out as of yet and tune ups aren't going to help us distinguish anything.

I agree with Elterrible that Martinez is the most impressive fighter today in that regard. Straight fights against very solid opposition. No catchweights, no questionable timing of opponents etc. The man is on the trajectory up. Manny has stalled with his leftovers and Floyd has gone AWOL.

No argument on Martinez. Put my answers in bold Ftr.

[Kev]

Sure fighters aren't as active as in the past, but to hardened boxing fans PFP does matter. Personally, it isn't something I care too much about because it is extremely subjective, but I can see why some fans take it quite seriously. I do think that if a current PFP list is to exist in the eyes of fans then it should consist of current active fighters who are taking part in meaningful bouts, even if only twice a year.

Floyd for me is disqualified in that regard. And Floyd coming back and beating Paulie Malignaggi or whoever should not be enough to put him at the top of the pile. He needs to make the meaningful fights that exist out there for him and that means Manny or Martinez. You can't come back and be top dog on the back of tune up fights. Can Floyd still beat the best in his mid 30's? There is no sign of us finding out as of yet and tune ups aren't going to help us distinguish anything.

I agree with Elterrible that Martinez is the most impressive fighter today in that regard. Straight fights against very solid opposition. No catchweights, no questionable timing of opponents etc. The man is on the trajectory up. Manny has stalled with his leftovers and Floyd has gone AWOL.

Actually Martinez's last two fights have been at catchweight. You just didn't notice because Sergio's name is not Manny Pacqiao.

Also he defended his 160 title last time out against a fighter from the 154 lb division who was not only completely unranked at 160 lbs but had never fought in that weight class either. Again, none of you noticed this because Sergio's name is not Manny Pacquiao

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

Sure an we might as well bring back Sugar Ray Robinson on the top of the list too!

Imo u shouldnt b ranked unless u have made a big impact within the last year or so.