Kirkland fight SPOILERS!!

[Gandalf]

Boxing - Maidana, Morales Quick Quotes

Kirkland said Ishida wasnt anything and had no power. What an arrogant person I guess he deserved to get KTFO, Thug!

Weird statements really. If he had no power then why did Kirkland keep falling to the floor in a heap. Denial and delusion are his good friends in the wake of a loss like that.

[UKPH]

Boxing - Maidana, Morales Quick Quotes

Kirkland said Ishida wasnt anything and had no power. What an arrogant person I guess he deserved to get KTFO, Thug!

Weird statements really. If he had no power then why did Kirkland keep falling to the floor in a heap. Denial and delusion are his good friends in the wake of a loss like that.

Indeed if you watched after the fight he was shocked what happened, really seems on denial why its stop early, well i guess most of the undefeated will do the same thing ex. Judah of Tzsyu, Darchinyan to Donaire, Solis to Pac, i remember Solis said after the fight with Pac.. his wifey hits harder then Pac. :

[Gandalf]

Boxing - Maidana, Morales Quick Quotes

Kirkland said Ishida wasnt anything and had no power. What an arrogant person I guess he deserved to get KTFO, Thug!

Weird statements really. If he had no power then why did Kirkland keep falling to the floor in a heap. Denial and delusion are his good friends in the wake of a loss like that.

Indeed if you watched after the fight he was shocked what happened, really seems on denial why its stop early, well i guess most of the undefeated will do the same thing ex. Judah of Tzsyu, Darchinyan to Donaire, Solis to Pac, i remember Solis said after the fight with Pac.. his wifey hits harder then Pac. :

Mind you, I do think he should have been allowed to continue. He was all over the place, but hardly out of it. Marquez/Pac is another one that springs to mind. That went on and rightfully so. Unless the fighter is really mentally out of it, you have to give him the opportunity to work it on out.

Cortez is a complete cunt and continually produces new evidence to prove why this is the case.

Still, Kirkland was obviously in denial. You don't get put down 3 times and say someone had no power. If there was no power then you wouldn't be going down. That final punch clearly had a bit of a kick.

[generalbulldog]

TBH I really don't see too many people complainig about the stoppage, well on other forums that is.

Because let's be honest, someone will always have something to complain. If it gets stopped too late, people complain, if it's too soon they still complain.

And Kirkland I'm pretty sure doesn't have the boxing IQ of JMM to turn fights around when he's on his back. Just a gut feeling.

[Gandalf]

TBH I really don't see too many people complainig about the stoppage, well on other forums that is.

Because let's be honest, someone will always have something to complain. If it gets stopped too late, people complain, if it's too soon they still complain.

And Kirkland I'm pretty sure doesn't have the boxing IQ of JMM to turn fights around when he's on his back. Just a gut feeling.

You don't hold a fighter to the ground when he is obviously trying to get up. He was losing the round horribly, but quite in control of his senses. Maybe it would have made no difference. But just as he probably wouldn't have put on a Marquez masterclass, he might very well have cleared his head between rounds and gone on to knockout the profoundly civilised person that was very clearly Japanese.

I ALWAYS disagree with premature stoppages. You only stop a fight if the legs have turned to jelly or you are cut down to the skull. Anything else is the ref trying to take centre stage and Cortez is the king of that.

[Chino]

TBH I really don't see too many people complainig about the stoppage, well on other forums that is.

Because let's be honest, someone will always have something to complain. If it gets stopped too late, people complain, if it's too soon they still complain.

And Kirkland I'm pretty sure doesn't have the boxing IQ of JMM to turn fights around when he's on his back. Just a gut feeling.

You don't hold a fighter to the ground when he is obviously trying to get up. He was losing the round horribly, but quite in control of his senses. Maybe it would have made no difference. But just as he probably wouldn't have put on a Marquez masterclass, he might very well have cleared his head between rounds and gone on to knockout the profoundly civilised person that was very clearly Japanese.

I ALWAYS disagree with premature stoppages. You only stop a fight if the legs have turned to jelly or you are cut down to the skull. Anything else is the ref trying to take centre stage and Cortez is the king of that.

Was this fight under the 3-KO rule? If so, then he made the right desicion to stop it . Just following the rules.

[Rantcatrat]

TBH I really don't see too many people complainig about the stoppage, well on other forums that is.

Because let's be honest, someone will always have something to complain. If it gets stopped too late, people complain, if it's too soon they still complain.

And Kirkland I'm pretty sure doesn't have the boxing IQ of JMM to turn fights around when he's on his back. Just a gut feeling.

You don't hold a fighter to the ground when he is obviously trying to get up. He was losing the round horribly, but quite in control of his senses. Maybe it would have made no difference. But just as he probably wouldn't have put on a Marquez masterclass, he might very well have cleared his head between rounds and gone on to knockout the profoundly civilised person that was very clearly Japanese.

I ALWAYS disagree with premature stoppages. You only stop a fight if the legs have turned to jelly or you are cut down to the skull. Anything else is the ref trying to take centre stage and Cortez is the king of that.

Was this fight under the 3-KO rule? If so, then he made the right desicion to stop it . Just following the rules.

not the 3-0 rules, but the fight wasn't ending any different no matter when it was over, in my opinion.

is it me or have a lot of americans and american prospects been biting the dust recently? paul williams, danny jacobs, james kirkland, kelly pavlik for that matter, cris arreola etc.

[generalbulldog]

TBH I really don't see too many people complainig about the stoppage, well on other forums that is.

Because let's be honest, someone will always have something to complain. If it gets stopped too late, people complain, if it's too soon they still complain.

And Kirkland I'm pretty sure doesn't have the boxing IQ of JMM to turn fights around when he's on his back. Just a gut feeling.

You don't hold a fighter to the ground when he is obviously trying to get up. He was losing the round horribly, but quite in control of his senses. Maybe it would have made no difference. But just as he probably wouldn't have put on a Marquez masterclass, he might very well have cleared his head between rounds and gone on to knockout the profoundly civilised person that was very clearly Japanese.

I ALWAYS disagree with premature stoppages. You only stop a fight if the legs have turned to jelly or you are cut down to the skull. Anything else is the ref trying to take centre stage and Cortez is the king of that.

So you're saying Kirkland wasn't hurt right? He was hurt bad. I don't think that's up for discussion. Those weren't flash knock downs.

JMM got a pass because that was a championship unification fight where the one holding the titles get the benefit of the doubt and are allowed to continue. This was no championship fight. Just a prospect getting his ass whipped.

[global]

He fought like a dickhead. Went in unprotected and had a scare. Instead of adjusting and tightening his defense up, kept going unprotected and got the inevitable. You would hope he learns from this but I have my doubts, especially after hearing his view of what went wrong with the fight.

[CFH]

Didn't Cortez ref Pac - JMM 1?

[fan johnny]

All right then this one is in English!

[Kev]

It's a bit of shame, but typical that after a fighter's loss we have the usual vitriolic glee at his exposing, and the cries of 'I told you so' etc.

I hope he can bounce back. He must have been hurt to keep going down but to his credit he kept getting straight back up immediately.

I think he was probably ok to continue, but 3 knockdowns in a round usually signals the end so he has himself to blame for the stoppage more than the referee for sure.

He looked clueless in there and was just getting tagged at will. We saw Amir get demolished and exposed as a nothing in even less time than it took Kirkland to get beat but he overcame the obstacle of being a chinless hype job by jamming a win against an unable to see Barrera, then won a title against a hopeless belt holder who became a top level fighter only after losing to Khan and then beat the very dangerous Maidana, who as we found out at the weekend was actually a nobody too.

Maybe Kirkland can get back with Ann Wolf and regain his confidence agains some bums and then find a way to demolish luckily one of the current champs on the day that they become finished and shot.

I like the kid, and will always root for a troubled youth to reform his ways and reach the top so I shall hope for this.

[Hulk]

It's a bit of shame, but typical that after a fighter's loss we have the usual vitriolic glee at his exposing, and the cries of 'I told you so' etc.

I hope he can bounce back. He must have been hurt to keep going down but to his credit he kept getting straight back up immediately.

I think he was probably ok to continue, but 3 knockdowns in a round usually signals the end so he has himself to blame for the stoppage more than the referee for sure.

He looked clueless in there and was just getting tagged at will. We saw Amir get demolished and exposed as a nothing in even less time than it took Kirkland to get beat but he overcame the obstacle of being a chinless hype job by jamming a win against an unable to see Barrera, then won a title against a hopeless belt holder who became a top level fighter only after losing to Khan and then beat the very dangerous Maidana, who as we found out at the weekend was actually a nobody too.

Maybe Kirkland can get back with Ann Wolf and regain his confidence agains some bums and then find a way to demolish luckily one of the current champs on the day that they become finished and shot.

I like the kid, and will always root for a troubled youth to reform his ways and reach the top so I shall hope for this.

Wise words Bilbo.

As boxing fans, we love to see young up and coming fighters fall so we can stroke our own egos and scream "See !? See !? I was right ! I'm so smart ! I told you so !"

Nevermind that the loss just set back a tough, determined young man who has had a very rough life and fought his way out of poverty.

We are all guilty of it and it is wrong.

Kirkland will be back, I hope it was just that he got caught cold, and had trouble cutting weight, ring rust etc. Cus if its his chin, then he is screwed.

[Gandalf]

Didn't Cortez ref Pac - JMM 1?

Actually, I think he did which makes it even more dodgy. At least if the referee is consistent then you know what you are dealing with, but Cortez isn't. A different example is with holding. He let Hopkins hold Calzaghe all night long and yet Hatton wasn't allowed near Floyd.

At least be consistent so that you know where you stand.

[fan johnny]

Didn't Cortez ref Pac - JMM 1?

Actually, I think he did which makes it even more dodgy. At least if the referee is consistent then you know what you are dealing with, but Cortez isn't. A different example is with holding. He let Hopkins hold Calzaghe all night long and yet Hatton wasn't allowed near Floyd.

At least be consistent so that you know where you stand.

I think often the corner must speak to the ref before the fight and complain. Complain about elbows, holding, low blows when he's in trouble whatever. I think the idea is to get the ref to watch for it rather than let him pick it up on his own. I know in American football that's what they teach us.