I guess 140 is not as good as we thought.

[gest12645]

Always half thought that anyway.

It's an exciting division because a lot of the fighters are of similar standard, but the talent depth is fairly standard. It has been for a while. There's no elite fighter in the division. A lot of good fighters, but none even remotely close to the level of even someone like Cotto imo.

I think Marquez beats any fighter at 140.

I think its a combination of hyping some guys and also overhyping the decline of Morales. Sure he wasnt his best but really, losing a close fight to former world champ David Diaz wasnt that bad, it didnt make Morales shot, and he had won his other comeback fights. Willie Limond tested a much fresher, faster Amir Khan and Morales beat him so the idea that he was going to be blown away at the slightest challenge was probably just being overly critical of where Morales is right now.

As for Marquez beating anyone at 140 I dont agree. Id have him a live underdog against Bradley, Morales and Guerrero. Id be mildly surprised if Marquez won any of those fights.

For me Guerrero has really put himself on the map this weekend. Although I expected him to stop Katsidis inside 6 or 7 rounds and it went the distance I still thought he imposed himself on the fight more than Marquez, especially early on.

I know Guerrero is currently at 135 but he loooked much bigger than Kats and I think belongs at 140 where he suddenly becomes a major major player.

Well , I still think 140 is a very good division. Styles make fights and Khan vs Morales would be an easy win for Khan . As for JMM, I think he beats Morales quite easily, has a tough win against Guerrero and another close win against Bradley

[Kev]

Always half thought that anyway.

It's an exciting division because a lot of the fighters are of similar standard, but the talent depth is fairly standard. It has been for a while. There's no elite fighter in the division. A lot of good fighters, but none even remotely close to the level of even someone like Cotto imo.

I think Marquez beats any fighter at 140.

I think its a combination of hyping some guys and also overhyping the decline of Morales. Sure he wasnt his best but really, losing a close fight to former world champ David Diaz wasnt that bad, it didnt make Morales shot, and he had won his other comeback fights. Willie Limond tested a much fresher, faster Amir Khan and Morales beat him so the idea that he was going to be blown away at the slightest challenge was probably just being overly critical of where Morales is right now.

As for Marquez beating anyone at 140 I dont agree. Id have him a live underdog against Bradley, Morales and Guerrero. Id be mildly surprised if Marquez won any of those fights.

For me Guerrero has really put himself on the map this weekend. Although I expected him to stop Katsidis inside 6 or 7 rounds and it went the distance I still thought he imposed himself on the fight more than Marquez, especially early on.

I know Guerrero is currently at 135 but he loooked much bigger than Kats and I think belongs at 140 where he suddenly becomes a major major player.

Well , I still think 140 is a very good division. Styles make fights and Khan vs Morales would be an easy win for Khan . As for JMM, I think he beats Morales quite easily, has a tough win against Guerrero and another close win against Bradley

Marquez has gone life and death with Casamayor, Juan Diaz and Katsidis since moving up.

I don't see anything in his recent form that suggests to me he's performing at a level above the likes of Bradley, Guerrero and Khan.

I think he's a huge challenge for all of them, but he's getting older, slower, easier to hit and has been floored and hurt several times recently.

He's past his best now and I think the above guys have too much for him at this stage. i forsee some titanic, even Morales Maidana like struggles, but I no longer regard him as the man to beat in the weight class.

[Kev]

Actually, that's not quite what I mean. In terms of his legacy and status he IS the man to beat of course. But I no longer feel he is the best fighter in the weight class.

If I was Bradley, Guerrero, Khan, or even Judah, Alexander, Maidana etc I would be desperate to get in the ring with him because great fighter that he is, he is vulnerable and slowing.

I see him as a prize fish that has been washed upstream and caught in shallow waters and the first fisherman who gets there with the right bait could reel him in.

[Gandalf]

Just because Morales fought a great fight and Maidana seemingly struggled with him does not automatically mean that we can dismiss what is a fairly engrossing division. Maidana struggles with Maidana therefore 140 = crap is a silly argument to make. There are a lot of intriguing matchups that can be made and I think it's more about an old fighter selecting his type of opponent carefully and proving a few people wrong.

It's still a very decent division.