Berto's corner was nonexistent

[IamInuit]

The role of the trainer in boxing today is, really, secondary. In the old days, the trainer taught the fighter to fight, developed and taught the game plan for the fight, conditioned the fighter, made sure he made weight, took care of his mental issues, made sure his ex-wife didn't get in the way, and got tickets to the fight for extended family members.
Now, you have cardio coaches and strength training coaches and sports psychologists and so on and so on. What you end up with is guys that can't fight, need advice between rounds, and don't have anybody to give it to them. When you have 300 people telling you what to do in the run-up to a fight, why not in the corner, too?

That’s a very salient point right their. There is really only a hand full of good trainers left that are on the big stage. The majority of the great trainers are quite literally in the gyms where all these guys learned their craft. No more Blackburn, Arcel or Dundee. No Clancy, Damato or Eddie Futch. Theirs but a smattering of real trainers at the top level left. Which is not only odd and disturbing but worrisome.

[generalbulldog]

Speakin of which, I remember Nocontest mentioning that Berto's trainer does sound like Bill Clinton. And he was right. Did anyone else thought this too?

[IamInuit]

I have a question. Was the trainer even watching the fight or was he watching the clock? That corner was the very definition of incompetence. Guys fighting a south paw and not a peep about direction.

"I just need to show up" is not a strategy.

[Spicoli]

I have a question. Was the trainer even watching the fight or was he watching the clock? That corner was the very definition of incompetence. Guys fighting a south paw and not a peep about direction.

"I just need to show up" is not a strategy.

Also noticed he would stop talking at times when brother father started in, rather then ruffle feathers and take charge of the corner.

[MMASUX]

Yea i couldn't tell what the hell was going on in his corner. With his brother, and his trainer both talking it was hard for me to tell what they wanted him to do.

[Gocougars3]

[QUOTE=IamInuit;961538]I have a question. Was the trainer even watching the fight or was he watching the clock? That corner was the very definition of incompetence. Guys fighting a south paw and not a peep about direction.

I was surprised this hasn't been mentioned more. If you see the fight again, watch how often Ortiz establishes outside foot position and how often his right hand is outside Berto's left. He steps in, no jab, picks his lead foot up and over Berto's front foot and then rips a lead left to the chest followed by a right hook. Berto gets so tired of getting cut off he backs in to the middle rope, which is better than getting cut off in the corner.

Ortiz fought a classic southpaw's fight and Berto's corner had no answers.

[Taeth]

[QUOTE=Gocougars3;961552]

I have a question. Was the trainer even watching the fight or was he watching the clock? That corner was the very definition of incompetence. Guys fighting a south paw and not a peep about direction.

I was surprised this hasn't been mentioned more. If you see the fight again, watch how often Ortiz establishes outside foot position and how often his right hand is outside Berto's left. He steps in, no jab, picks his lead foot up and over Berto's front foot and then rips a lead left to the chest followed by a right hook. Berto gets so tired of getting cut off he backs in to the middle rope, which is better than getting cut off in the corner.

Ortiz fought a classic southpaw's fight and Berto's corner had no answers.

Berto should have used that oppertunity to cut against the grain like Roy jones used to. Instead of trying to fight hard for outside position you can't cut back and land your lead hand, and once they trigger in on that hand then go back around to having the advantage of your lead foot outside theirs and land a big right hand. One big problem is that Berto fought like an amateur and ORtiz fought like a pro. Berto was trying to flail speed from the outside with no organizational skills, while Ortiz was trying to actually keep his composure and move with intent and determination.

[Hulk]

Honestly all I heard from the trainer was "Just box. Its that simple." When it was far from simple, Berto needed to stay off those fuckin ropes, stop loading up on one shot, go to the body, punch between Ortiz's punches, and set up a knockout, as he was way behind on the cards.

If nothing else, he needed to be told to stay off the ropes and stop loading up on one big shot.

[TheMacMagician]

I also found it amazing that they allowed him to keeping spouting off inbetween rounds. I'd bet that something was said after that fight for sure, he was annoying the hell out of me, so must have annoyed Bertos trainer for sure.

If I remember rightly, Eddie Chambers had a similar corner when he fought which ever Klit it was. Shouting and balling at him, all of them, terrible.

[greynotsoold]

His corner could not have possibly been effective between rounds- they were obviously ineffective in their preparation for the fight, so why would things change? How could Berto move and stay away when his feet were consistently 3 feet apart? Nobody ever told him- in the gym, so why bother when the habit is ingrained?- that that ensures that a guy looking to rush you will 100% certainly get on top of you while you try to get your feet to where movement is possible. Why tell him to use his jab? The other guy is a right handed fighter- his whole game is based off the work he does with his right hand- and Berto insists on dropping his jab ever time he throws it. (Another thing that should have been addressed before a guy is a "world champ")
He wasn't mentally, physically, or strategically prepared for the fight. So how can the same guys that did nothing beforehand be expected to suddenly become gurus in the corner?

[Julius Rain]

Berto should get with Roach, he'd be an awesome black pacman!

[IamInuit]

Forget about being flat footed. Both of these guys are boxer punchers so of course they are going to fight flat footed. Bertos problems came from direction. Same thing happened with Collazo. He moved like he was fighting another orthodox fighter. His corner amounted to be a group of crickets in the mid day sun. Next time pay the janitor 50 grand to be your trainer.

[DogTheBountyHunter]

Forget about being flat footed. Both of these guys are boxer punchers so of course they are going to fight flat footed. Bertos problems came from direction. Same thing happened with Collazo. He moved like he was fighting another orthodox fighter. His corner amounted to be a group of crickets in the mid day sun. Next time pay the janitor 50 grand to be your trainer.

I saw ortiz on his toes. I have yet to see Berto on his toes his entire televised career.
How can you move properly when you are on your heels. that is berto's problem

[JazMerkin]

The fact that Tony Morgan didn't tell Berto's brother to shut the fuck up says that Berto should move elsewhere. I think the criticism of Berto has been way over the top. He was likely concussed from the 1st round on & apparently broke his hand in the 2nd, yet he fought through to the final bell & gave a decent showing. I had it 114-111 for Ortiz in the end, and although the ref was too involved he wasn't as bad as some are making out, I agreed with the points deduction, but I thought Ortiz deserved the extra KD. For everyone complaining about holding & Berto turning his head, Victor was coming in using his head, hence him having to turn it. I've no problem with any of that, fighters will bend the rules as much as they can, but I think it's unfair to criticize a fighter for fouling to nullify his opponent's fouls.

I think Berto would really benefit form Ronnie Shields or Manny Steward. He needs to get with someone who can get him make the most of what he's got.

FOTY so far for me though (much higher skill level than Marquez-Concepcion), it was thrilling and congratulations to Ortiz, I'm glad that he proved me right (yes go back & read my input in the Ortiz is a quiter thread).

[TheMacMagician]

The fact that Tony Morgan didn't tell Berto's brother to shut the fuck up says that Berto should move elsewhere. I think the criticism of Berto has been way over the top. He was likely concussed from the 1st round on & apparently broke his hand in the 2nd, yet he fought through to the final bell & gave a decent showing. I had it 114-111 for Ortiz in the end, and although the ref was too involved he wasn't as bad as some are making out, I agreed with the points deduction, but I thought Ortiz deserved the extra KD. For everyone complaining about holding & Berto turning his head, Victor was coming in using his head, hence him having to turn it. I've no problem with any of that, fighters will bend the rules as much as they can, but I think it's unfair to criticize a fighter for fouling to nullify his opponent's fouls.

I think Berto would really benefit form Ronnie Shields or Manny Steward. He needs to get with someone who can get him make the most of what he's got.

FOTY so far for me though (much higher skill level than Marquez-Concepcion), it was thrilling and congratulations to Ortiz, I'm glad that he proved me right (yes go back & read my input in the Ortiz is a quiter thread).

Definately agree with that. Berto's brother should have been told to shut the fuck up before the fight started, never mind during the fight, so on that, I'd say the correct communication between them isn't there.