Berto's corner was nonexistent

[ElTerribleMorales]

IMO Berto's bad habits have finally come back to bite him in the ass, same thing with Lopez, Berto was happy fighting B level fighters and calling out the big names like Mayweather, Mosley, Pacquiao, and Cotto, yet would fight guys like Quintana, Freddy Hernandez, and Juan Urango (who would have been a good win at 140 and if he won like Alexander did), Berto IMO was never that good and too flawed for the big stage, Ortiz knocks him cold in a rematch

[fan johnny]

As if he had a corner before? Betro lost this fight because he got beat the shit out of by Ortiz. Corner or no corner he still gets ass beat.

[greynotsoold]

The whole idea about "how to fight a southpaw"- that being your left foot outside his right foot, throw the hook and straight right has been invented by people that don't and have never fought. When you are boxing, the idea is to get the inside punching position. By doing the above you surrender it. You put your lead hand- about 80% of your offense- outside his shoulder, where it can't land. You beat a southpaw by going to his left hand, making him throw it, then countering with left hooks or right uppercuts.
With Ortiz, you want him to establish that position- his right foot outside your left foot- because his left hand is weak, and because, and Berto hit him with this, once you go to his left he will flat turn around and follow you. He walks into the right hand. He got nailed doing this and went down, in the 6th, and Berto narrowly missed the same punch at least three more times. He was that close to winning.
They should have been telling Berto to slide right (not bail out like he often did) and hook of Ortiz's left, or make him turn and fire his right. Ortiz fought hard and clearly won, but he was never more than a punch away from it going the other way. Good drama.

[Gocougars3]

The whole idea about "how to fight a southpaw"- that being your left foot outside his right foot, throw the hook and straight right has been invented by people that don't and have never fought. When you are boxing, the idea is to get the inside punching position. By doing the above you surrender it. You put your lead hand- about 80% of your offense- outside his shoulder, where it can't land. You beat a southpaw by going to his left hand, making him throw it, then countering with left hooks or right uppercuts.
With Ortiz, you want him to establish that position- his right foot outside your left foot- because his left hand is weak, and because, and Berto hit him with this, once you go to his left he will flat turn around and follow you. He walks into the right hand. He got nailed doing this and went down, in the 6th, and Berto narrowly missed the same punch at least three more times. He was that close to winning.
They should have been telling Berto to slide right (not bail out like he often did) and hook of Ortiz's left, or make him turn and fire his right. Ortiz fought hard and clearly won, but he was never more than a punch away from it going the other way.

I didn't say you couldn't fight from there, I said the corner had no answers for the classic southpaw style. If you saw the fight you can't deny that was Ortiz's game plan and it worked. I agree there are counters to this strategy and the two mentioned can work but if you don't work on moving and pivoting right or you like to lead with your jab, problems arise. I see these issues every day as I work with a southpaw and he faces orthodox fighters that use this strategy in reverse. It can be frustrating to face as sometimes it limits your output.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Deja Vu

Good points though.

It's funny... Berto was doing more with his left hand (can't remember what exactly?) in round 6 and 7 and in fact he was stopping Ortiz using his right and so he was able to drive Ortiz backwards which made Ortiz fight negatively all of a sudden. Apparently Ortiz is only any good while coming forward.

After that though, Berto's tactics went to pot and just seemed content on driving into Ortiz I guess to hold ring center instead of utilizing the arsenal that was making that particular dynamic happen.

When ever Ortiz beat him to the 'drive' Berto (as Spicoli had mentioned) either reported to setting traps (or waited for Ortiz to 'over reach with left' as GNSO would put it) or just went back to the ropes like a complete looser!

Wired fight really Fucking exciting though!

[El Kabong]

Did you miss Tyson's corner when he fought Douglas? They didn't even have ice to stop the swelling, they just had a fucking water balloon.

I have yet to watch the fight(Ortiz-Berto), but I've heard it was exciting, and I was not surprised by the result at all.

[Hulk]

did you miss tyson's corner when he fought douglas? They didn't even have ice to stop the swelling, they just had a fucking water balloon.

I have yet to watch the fight(ortiz-berto), but i've heard it was exciting, and i was not surprised by the result at all.

bullshit !

[IamInuit]

Did anybody here overhear his corner tell him to quit moving to his right? "Go out their and box." You have got to be kidding me.

[El Kabong]

did you miss tyson's corner when he fought douglas? They didn't even have ice to stop the swelling, they just had a fucking water balloon.

I have yet to watch the fight(ortiz-berto), but i've heard it was exciting, and i was not surprised by the result at all.

bullshit !

Bullshit what? Aaron Snowell did jack crap in that fight...granted Tyson wasn't listening anyway but hell the least he could do is ACT like a trainer that gives a damn

[fan johnny]

IMO Berto's bad habits have finally come back to bite him in the ass, same thing with Lopez, Berto was happy fighting B level fighters and calling out the big names like Mayweather, Mosley, Pacquiao, and Cotto, yet would fight guys like Quintana, Freddy Hernandez, and Juan Urango (who would have been a good win at 140 and if he won like Alexander did), Berto IMO was never that good and too flawed for the big stage, Ortiz knocks him cold in a rematch

Berto didn't listen to his corner. Had he been listening he would have stopped looking for a knockout shot and boxed more, just like they were telling him to do, and got hit less. My guess is that Berto's mistake is he thinks all he has to do is load up and connect and the fight is over.

[marbleheadmaui]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

[fan johnny]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

[marbleheadmaui]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

[DogTheBountyHunter]

Berto's corner could do nothing. He maxed out where he could go in the sport. Berto is a flat footed fighter who relies on athleticism. End of story.

[fan johnny]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

Well.. What I heard was his corner, was pleading with him to box. When he boxed and kept Ortiz at a distance with his jab, he did well and was able to sit down when he threw his right.