Berto's corner was nonexistent

[fan johnny]

IMO Berto's bad habits have finally come back to bite him in the ass, same thing with Lopez, Berto was happy fighting B level fighters and calling out the big names like Mayweather, Mosley, Pacquiao, and Cotto, yet would fight guys like Quintana, Freddy Hernandez, and Juan Urango (who would have been a good win at 140 and if he won like Alexander did), Berto IMO was never that good and too flawed for the big stage, Ortiz knocks him cold in a rematch

Berto didn't listen to his corner. Had he been listening he would have stopped looking for a knockout shot and boxed more, just like they were telling him to do, and got hit less. My guess is that Berto's mistake is he thinks all he has to do is load up and connect and the fight is over.

[marbleheadmaui]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

[fan johnny]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

[marbleheadmaui]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

[DogTheBountyHunter]

Berto's corner could do nothing. He maxed out where he could go in the sport. Berto is a flat footed fighter who relies on athleticism. End of story.

[fan johnny]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

Well.. What I heard was his corner, was pleading with him to box. When he boxed and kept Ortiz at a distance with his jab, he did well and was able to sit down when he threw his right.

[Gandalf]

The corner were all over the place. You don't need 4 voices in your ear between rounds when you are getting pummelled as you are probably hearing about 20 already. Berto's head must have been all over the place. And then he had to go back out there and have Ortiz move his head all over the place some more. It's a shame Berto has no head movement of his own to avoid all that.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I remember Devon Alexander's corner vs Bradley was pretty much the same. To much emotion and no where near enough advice. I remember thinking after the fight that they only cater to Devon's apparent immaturity as a fighter.

[marbleheadmaui]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

Well.. What I heard was his corner, was pleading with him to box. When he boxed and kept Ortiz at a distance with his jab, he did well and was able to sit down when he threw his right.

See I don't think that's technical or useful advice anymore than "let your hands go" is. Especially when you have a fighter with cement shoes like Berto has.

[fan johnny]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

Well.. What I heard was his corner, was pleading with him to box. When he boxed and kept Ortiz at a distance with his jab, he did well and was able to sit down when he threw his right.

See I don't think that's technical or useful advice anymore than "let your hands go" is. Especially when you have a fighter with cement shoes like Berto has.

Look... it's like this. Berto obviously did not have all of his senses in tack during the fight. Most probably due to fact he was getting hit in the head repeatedly very hard starting from the first round.

I'm not saying his corner wasn't shit as far as corners go. I'm just saying people are making judgments about his corner without "totally" knowing what was going on. You say you what heard was pretty useless. I'm saying, what I saw and I heard wasn't at all like people put it in this thread. I heard his corner specifically telling him to box. i.e. stay on the outside and use your jab. His corner may or may not have communicated that concept to Berto effectively in the context of his fight plan. I have no way of knowing that because I wasn't there and I'm not Berto. I can only assume they had a plan and trained for the fight following a specific plan with possibly some alternatives. What I saw was, when Berto did box, he was keeping Ortiz on the outside and he was very effective. When Berto allowed Ortiz on the inside he was getting his ass kicked most of the time. It's was not a complected fight to follow because neither fighter made very many adjustments. Berto just didn't seem to be able follow instructions. I can't tell you if it was or wasn't the corners fault.