Changing One's Mind on Fighters

[marbleheadmaui]

I've seen that fight- used to have tape of it, back when stuff was still on tape.
What do you think about Kenny Norton? Back in the 70s he was my favorite HW (though I was always more a fan of the lighter weights), and I thought he was something. I guess there's no argument that he was a pretty good fighter, despite starting late, but how he merits being in the HOF escapes me.

Norton was a very good heavyweight and would have probably done well had he fought in an era populated without big punchers. But he seemed to just freeze with those guys. I'm not sure he had a gladss chin ans much as a glass mind when dealing with a bomber.

Were I in charge of the HOF the first thing I'd do would be to get a series of guys out. In no order, Norton, Brian Mitchell, O Canzales, B. McGuigan (who I loved), Terry Norris, Jeff Fenech, Billy Graham, Laszlo Papp (not fair I know, but...).

Here's a guy who is aboslutely REVERED and it escapes me. Marcel Cerdan. Excellent fighter, tough guy, his fight against Zale remains a masterpiece, but he only fought 6-7 guys I know anything about. I knwo he was a victim of the war years, but life ain't fair.

[greynotsoold]

I've seen that fight- used to have tape of it, back when stuff was still on tape.
What do you think about Kenny Norton? Back in the 70s he was my favorite HW (though I was always more a fan of the lighter weights), and I thought he was something. I guess there's no argument that he was a pretty good fighter, despite starting late, but how he merits being in the HOF escapes me.

Norton was a very good heavyweight and would have probably done well had he fought in an era populated without big punchers. But he seemed to just freeze with those guys. I'm not sure he had a gladss chin ans much as a glass mind when dealing with a bomber.

Were I in charge of the HOF the first thing I'd do would be to get a series of guys out. In no order, Norton, Brian Mitchell, O Canzales, B. McGuigan (who I loved), Terry Norris, Jeff Fenech, Billy Graham, Laszlo Papp (not fair I know, but...).

Here's a guy who is aboslutely REVERED and it escapes me. Marcel Cerdan. Excellent fighter, tough guy, his fight against Zale remains a masterpiece, but he only fought 6-7 guys I know anything about. I knwo he was a victim of the war years, but life ain't fair.

I followed Norris from his 4th or 5th fight, loved him, but he shouldn't be in the HOF, nor should Inegmar Johansson. And I didn't know, but should've guessed, about Fenech. It comes from alphabet straps (which look suspiciously like pro wrestling belts) as real world titles. And having to induct a few people every year. Billy Graham was such a good fighter and I really enjoy his way of fighting but he doesn't belong either.

[marbleheadmaui]

I've seen that fight- used to have tape of it, back when stuff was still on tape.
What do you think about Kenny Norton? Back in the 70s he was my favorite HW (though I was always more a fan of the lighter weights), and I thought he was something. I guess there's no argument that he was a pretty good fighter, despite starting late, but how he merits being in the HOF escapes me.

Norton was a very good heavyweight and would have probably done well had he fought in an era populated without big punchers. But he seemed to just freeze with those guys. I'm not sure he had a gladss chin ans much as a glass mind when dealing with a bomber.

Were I in charge of the HOF the first thing I'd do would be to get a series of guys out. In no order, Norton, Brian Mitchell, O Canzales, B. McGuigan (who I loved), Terry Norris, Jeff Fenech, Billy Graham, Laszlo Papp (not fair I know, but...).

Here's a guy who is aboslutely REVERED and it escapes me. Marcel Cerdan. Excellent fighter, tough guy, his fight against Zale remains a masterpiece, but he only fought 6-7 guys I know anything about. I knwo he was a victim of the war years, but life ain't fair.

I followed Norris from his 4th or 5th fight, loved him, but he shouldn't be in the HOF, nor should Inegmar Johansson. And I didn't know, but should've guessed, about Fenech. It comes from alphabet straps (which look suspiciously like pro wrestling belts) as real world titles. And having to induct a few people every year. Billy Graham was such a good fighter and I really enjoy his way of fighting but he doesn't belong either.

I sympathize with the HOF folks. I mean I think that induction weekend generates revenue they have got to have to survive. But a mandatory four inductions for since WWII fighters is very shortly going to get out of control. I mean that implies we have 10-15 HOFers active now. It's crazy! Can't they get away with two mandatories and draw the same crowds?

[greynotsoold]

Well, I've been told here that Pacquiao has fought 15 hofers so it shouldn't be that hard

[marbleheadmaui]

Well, I've been told here that Pacquiao has fought 15 hofers so it shouldn't be that hard

Let's see. I think Morales, MAB, Oscar and probably JMM are locks. Oscar was shot, but that's what seven fights against the other three.

Hatton is a maybe

Sasakul probably ought to go, but he probably won't.

Who the hell else is even discussable

I mean Clottey and Ledwaba and Cotto are fine fighters, but HOFers?

[greynotsoold]

I figured Oscar, Barrera, Marquez, and Morales...and he is a reluctant admission.

[marbleheadmaui]

I figured Oscar, Barrera, Marquez, and Morales...and he is a reluctant admission.

Morales is reluctant? I like it! A man with high standards!

I figured wins over a still formidable Zaragoza, MAB, Paulie, McCullough, the Flushing Flash and a win over Manny that gets bigger by the fight gave him a resume better than JMM's and at least as good as MAB's.

But again, I love high standards and I'd rather keep the deserving out that see it watered down.