Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
Quote Originally Posted by greynotsoold View Post
Now, if you are calling me a 'retard', that is just out of line. I have never, in any way, disrespected you. If we differ in opinion, it should at least be civil.
But I would humbly suggest you read up a bit on your boxing history.
So in your opinion were Ali and Leonard the finished article before they even turned pro then?

My boxing knowledge is just fine by the way. As far as calling you a retard....... Sorry it was early and I was tired and out of line.
Fair enough.
Leonard was trained from his first day boxing by Janks Morton and Dave Jacobs and they continued on with him in the pro ranks. Dundee was brought in with the understanding that he not interfere with their program: his primary function was in selecting opponents and working the corner on fight night. The day to day gym work and training was done by Jacobs and Morton.
With Ali, he didn't like Archie Moore trying to teach him things son he was sent to Dundee because he'd let him do things his way. At the time Ali and Dundee were often criticized because he wasn't seen to be developing as a pro: excessive movement, no body punching, not fighting inside, and insisting on punching to the top of the head were all considered 'not good' and something he needed to be broken of. Of course, it all turned out ok for him (though he did have sore hands his whole career), but Dundee didn't teach him a whole bunch.
And I shouldn't have made the crack about your boxing knowledge.