Why is lil floid on the P4P list at all in 2011...

[marbleheadmaui]

Ring Magazine P4P for April 2011. Here's a screenshot:




BoxRec inexplicably currently has lil floid #1 at Welterweight.

I don't see how 2 fights in 3½ years warrants any Top 5 ranking at all.

One fight was against a fat, old Featherweight, career 126 pounder who floid called all the way up to Welterweight, against whom floid weighed in a few lbs over the contracted weight and still danced to a sleep-inducing 12 rd decision.

The 2nd fight was to a 38 year old shadow of Shane Mosley who still almost cracked lil floid out of there inside of 2 rds.

the same old Featherweight that had just gotten robbed by Pacquiao a year earlier and the same old Shane Mosley who Pacquiao is now facing and his fanboys are trying to hype up as a legitimate challenge, it goes both ways buddy

and Floyd is listed as #1 at welterweight because he's still the Lineal Welterweight Champion, unlike Manny who just holds a strap

The bold is just incorrect. The boxrec formula gives no weight to titles/belts etc. It is straight math.

[marbleheadmaui]

Since the p4p concept cannot even get general agreement on criteria? I struggle to get amped up about it. A year between fights, even in this nobody fights often enough era, seems excessive to me for someone still to be ranked.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Ring Magazine P4P for April 2011. Here's a screenshot:




BoxRec inexplicably currently has lil floid #1 at Welterweight.

I don't see how 2 fights in 3½ years warrants any Top 5 ranking at all.

One fight was against a fat, old Featherweight, career 126 pounder who floid called all the way up to Welterweight, against whom floid weighed in a few lbs over the contracted weight and still danced to a sleep-inducing 12 rd decision.

The 2nd fight was to a 38 year old shadow of Shane Mosley who still almost cracked lil floid out of there inside of 2 rds.

the same old Featherweight that had just gotten robbed by Pacquiao a year earlier and the same old Shane Mosley who Pacquiao is now facing and his fanboys are trying to hype up as a legitimate challenge, it goes both ways buddy

and Floyd is listed as #1 at welterweight because he's still the Lineal Welterweight Champion, unlike Manny who just holds a strap

The bold is just incorrect. The boxrec formula gives no weight to titles/belts etc. It is straight math.

i'm not saying it cause of boxrec, i'm saying it because Mosley was considered to be the lineal welterweight champion since he beat Margarito, Floyd beat Mosley hence he's the Lineal Welterweight Champion of the world, no different to when Manny beat Hatton (who had no strap at 140), it's not opinion it's fact, funny how the Pactards (who don't think on their own) build up Manny's accomplishments yet love to tear everyone else down, and bradlee are you really talking about being "manly" when you have a picture of a fucking Troll doll on your avatar? riiiiiight

[marbleheadmaui]

Ring Magazine P4P for April 2011. Here's a screenshot:




BoxRec inexplicably currently has lil floid #1 at Welterweight.

I don't see how 2 fights in 3½ years warrants any Top 5 ranking at all.

One fight was against a fat, old Featherweight, career 126 pounder who floid called all the way up to Welterweight, against whom floid weighed in a few lbs over the contracted weight and still danced to a sleep-inducing 12 rd decision.

The 2nd fight was to a 38 year old shadow of Shane Mosley who still almost cracked lil floid out of there inside of 2 rds.

the same old Featherweight that had just gotten robbed by Pacquiao a year earlier and the same old Shane Mosley who Pacquiao is now facing and his fanboys are trying to hype up as a legitimate challenge, it goes both ways buddy

and Floyd is listed as #1 at welterweight because he's still the Lineal Welterweight Champion, unlike Manny who just holds a strap

The bold is just incorrect. The boxrec formula gives no weight to titles/belts etc. It is straight math.

i'm not saying it cause of boxrec, i'm saying it because Mosley was considered to be the lineal welterweight champion since he beat Margarito, Floyd beat Mosley hence he's the Lineal Welterweight Champion of the world, no different to when Manny beat Hatton (who had no strap at 140), it's not opinion it's fact, funny how the Pactards (who don't think on their own) build up Manny's accomplishments yet love to tear everyone else down, and bradlee are you really talking about being "manly" when you have a picture of a fucking Troll doll on your avatar? riiiiiight

I corrected a misstatement regarding boxrec, that's all. I agree Floyd remains the lineal 147 champ, but Mosely has nothing to do with it. Floyd became lineal champ by beating Baldomir and he hasn't lost it since. I sure wish he'd have defended that crown more actively against the logical guys, don't you?

[ElTerribleMorales]

i agree, just it's ridiculous when people try to discredit the guy just cause they spite his actions out of the ring, Floyd should be fighting more and should be fighting better opposition, but it's not like Manny Pacquiao is going for the toughest opposition available right now, says he wants Martinez but then says it has to be at 147, ffs fight a guy in an actual weight class, with the gloves regulated by the commission and stop with the drama queen antics, and that goes to both Floyd and Manny

[No Contest]

Well we all know that Floyd would kick Mannys ass so might as well just credit him with the win in our minds. Since Manny will never agree to the olympic style testing and is running scared of Floyd. You guys also dont give him credit for the fight he had with his baby momma, that was earlier this year, so he deserves to be p4p for at least another year.

[marbleheadmaui]

i agree, just it's ridiculous when people try to discredit the guy just cause they spite his actions out of the ring, Floyd should be fighting more and should be fighting better opposition, but it's not like Manny Pacquiao is going for the toughest opposition available right now, says he wants Martinez but then says it has to be at 147, ffs fight a guy in an actual weight class, with the gloves regulated by the commission and stop with the drama queen antics, and that goes to both Floyd and Manny

My own view is Manny has accomplished FAR more than Floyd and it is largely Floyd's fault. But I am utterly unwilling to talk about that comparison anymore as it has been done to death.

What I'd LOVE to see Manny do is the following. Suck it up, get down to 135 for the weigh-in, give JMM every edge and try to win a fifth lineal crown. THAT would be a ballsy move. Isn't gonna happen of course, but I can dream can't I?

Manny beating JMM at 147 means the same as when Floyd did it, somehwere between not much and absolutely nothing.

[bradlee180]

...funny how the Pactards (who don't think on their own) build up Manny's accomplishments yet love to tear everyone else down, and bradlee are you really talking about being "manly" when you have a picture of a fucking Troll doll on your avatar? riiiiiight

Hey, hey, hey, hey now, don't get all testy with the bradguy just because YOU got a problem with floid's station in life...

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[ElTerribleMorales]

...funny how the Pactards (who don't think on their own) build up Manny's accomplishments yet love to tear everyone else down, and bradlee are you really talking about being "manly" when you have a picture of a fucking Troll doll on your avatar? riiiiiight

Hey, hey, hey, hey now, don't get all testy with the bradguy just because YOU got a problem with floid's station in life...

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i'm not the one crying about Mayweather being rated higher than your crush Pacquiao, he's ranked so deal with it, either way Sergio Martinez IMO is the true p4p #1 fighter, and there's no doubt he's the king of his weight class

[Julius Rain]

Floyd is inactive and should not be rank but he is still considered p4p fighter because of his talent. Thats just the way it is.

Second of all - ElterribleMorales is clearly still upset about pac beating the shit out of his favorite fighters.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

As much as I don't like Floyd personally, I would be able to tolerate him being on the P4P list but only until the 1 year anniversary of his last fight. After that, he should be stricken off the list. It isn't fair to those who are below him on the list.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Floyd is inactive and should not be rank but he is still considered p4p fighter because of his talent. Thats just the way it is.

Second of all - ElterribleMorales is clearly still upset about pac beating the shit out of his favorite fighters.

yea that must be it, i'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that his "accomplishments" get blown way out of proportion, especially his wins over DLH and Margarito, guess to be considered p4p #1 you just gotta beat up a bunch of weight drained, shot fighters, fighters who have just gotten their ass whooped and were shown up as frauds, and well like now leftovers, that's the real makings of an ATG

[Julius Rain]

Floyd is inactive and should not be rank but he is still considered p4p fighter because of his talent. Thats just the way it is.

Second of all - ElterribleMorales is clearly still upset about pac beating the shit out of his favorite fighters.

yea that must be it, i'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that his "accomplishments" get blown way out of proportion, especially his wins over DLH and Margarito, guess to be considered p4p #1 you just gotta beat up a bunch of weight drained, shot fighters, fighters who have just gotten their ass whooped and were shown up as frauds, and well like now leftovers, that's the real makings of an ATG

Hey I know your not going to believe this but when Pac fights Floyd and Martinez, he will knock them both out. You and the other anti pacs will come up with something new to discredit the win.

[bradlee180]

yea that must be it, i'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that his "accomplishments" get blown way out of proportion, especially his wins over DLH and Margarito, guess to be considered p4p #1 you just gotta beat up a bunch of weight drained, shot fighters, fighters who have just gotten their ass whooped and were shown up as frauds, and well like now leftovers, that's the real makings of an ATG

...yes, I now see how 2 fights in 3½ years are the REAL makings of an All Time Great...