Watching duran

[fan johnny]

PacMan strikes me as having some //s here. Like Duran, he's raw aggression refined, if thats not too much of an oxymoron.

In other words, he fights coming forward but gives enough movement to be elusive, in contrast to the more methodological Chavez. Punches come at all angels and the style is very Jazz-like: A lot of improvising.

Both fighters have a reputation for fury but are almost deceptively calculating. .

There are major differences between the two. Duran's in-fighting Mastery and Pacquiao combination hand speed. Actually Pacquiao has a rhythm where he bounces with an in-and-out motion but most don't pick up on the feet because he's throwing punches. Where as Duran made changes in styles from outside to inside fighting mostly standing flat footed.

I disagree, Duran was almost NEVER flat footed. It is just that his movments were more subtle than Manny's.

It's ok to disagree, assuming we're on different pages. But the only time I ever seen Duran use his toes is with that two footed hop he does to move into range. Otherwise he always shuffled his feet flat footed. You can look at him cutting off the ring here, and he don't bounce on his toes he moves flat footed. You'll have to show me what you are talking about cause I've never seen it.




And here his typical outside boxing and infighting his movements are always typically flat footed.

[Master]

Duran at lightweight had it all, Manny Pac would have avoided the division if he was around now.

[KananKrus]

Duran at lightweight had it all, Manny Pac would have avoided the division if he was around now.

Duran vs Pac... Roberto Duran with his "forward only" motor, would be knocked out before he'd have a chance to quit! Just my opinion, LOL!

[marbleheadmaui]

Duran at lightweight had it all, Manny Pac would have avoided the division if he was around now.

Duran vs Pac... Roberto Duran with his "forward only" motor, would be knocked out before he'd have a chance to quit! Just my opinion, LOL!

Watch Duran-Dejeus III or Duran-Barkely for Duran the counterpuncher.

[marbleheadmaui]

PacMan strikes me as having some //s here. Like Duran, he's raw aggression refined, if thats not too much of an oxymoron.

In other words, he fights coming forward but gives enough movement to be elusive, in contrast to the more methodological Chavez. Punches come at all angels and the style is very Jazz-like: A lot of improvising.

Both fighters have a reputation for fury but are almost deceptively calculating. .

There are major differences between the two. Duran's in-fighting Mastery and Pacquiao combination hand speed. Actually Pacquiao has a rhythm where he bounces with an in-and-out motion but most don't pick up on the feet because he's throwing punches. Where as Duran made changes in styles from outside to inside fighting mostly standing flat footed.

I disagree, Duran was almost NEVER flat footed. It is just that his movments were more subtle than Manny's.

It's ok to disagree, assuming we're on different pages. But the only time I ever seen Duran use his toes is with that two footed hop he does to move into range. Otherwise he always shuffled his feet flat footed. You can look at him cutting off the ring here, and he don't bounce on his toes he moves flat footed. You'll have to show me what you are talking about cause I've never seen it.




And here his typical outside boxing and infighting his movements are always typically flat footed.

I think you have to watch the footage more closely (I stopped after 15 seconds into the Fernandez fight because i saw what I always see) . Duran OFTEN has both heels off the ground and almost never has both on the ground at the same time. Just because he isn't bouncing doesn't mean he's flatfooted.

It's possible we're dealing with a definitional problem here. It is literally impossible to skip across the ring and pivot etc. as Duran does while flatfooted. Impossible. Andre Berto fights flatfooted, George Foreman (the older) fought flatfooted much of the time.

What Duran does is stay on his toes in the most efficient and energy saving way possible. By not raising his heels any more than he must to execute a given move and by not bouncing. It's subtle, like much of what Duran did, but it is miles and miles from flatfooted.