Does Manny stop Shane?

[Mars_ax]

I believe the only question saturday May 7th is not if Pacquaio wins, but whether or not he can KO or stop Mosley. Shane has a good chin, never been stopped and knows how to survive in the ring when he needs to, the question is, at 39, will he be able to take the battering he's going to get from Pacquiao? My guess is, the fight will either get stopped by the ref or Mosley's corner before the 9th round.

By the way, Shane is one of my favorite fighters, and I hate seeing this happen, just being realistic, I can't see Mosley going the distance.

Thoughts?

[Gandalf]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc. Mosley is one of my favourites and it would tear me up to see him get dominated and stopped. Pac is clear favourite and odds on to win this. Mosley is older than anyone Pac has ever faced and Pac has shown few indications that he is slowing down himself.

Mosley has that punchers chance. He cannot outwork Pac, he cannot match him for speed. Perhaps he cannot even match him for power. Mosley is not known for using his jab or using his reach either, the two areas that Richardson has pointed out as Pac weaknesses.

All the indicators are that Pac is going to dominate and potentially stop Shane.

But, I am firmly in Mosley's corner and I am hoping and praying that he is able to produce something special just one more time. It will change the world, but I'm not sure if it can happen.

[brocktonblockbust]

Mosely has hung in there way longer than I ever expected, I was calling him "shot" in 2005. He proved everybody wrong who felt so. However all fighters get old, and there's usually one particular fight in which this happens that later on, we can all pinpoint.

I feel this may wel;l be the fight in which later on we say Shane really (finally) showed his years, and its his last hurrah, if he's gonna win HE BETTER PULL SOMETHING OUT OF THAT LONG, DEEP BAG OF TRICKS HE HAS DEVELOPED AND KNOCK PAC OUT QUICK---REAL QUICK. Once the Phillipino Buzz Saw gets buzzin' and gets his rhythm going fine and smooth like a whirring machine, let's say by round 5, its a hopeless situation for Mosely.

I think Pac will stop Mosely in between 7 and 8. The doctor will actually stop it. Mosely's face will be swelled up like a hot air balloon, looking quite the jack o lantern with a grimace and a grin.

[Gandalf]

Even Mosley's age alone should be be screaming out loudly. He is 39. 39! Even the people Pac has been cleaning up have been a lot younger than this. Sure, Mosley knocked out a weight drained and caught in the headlights with the wrappings Margarito. But Cotto took him to the limits and that was half a decade ago. He is 39. That fact alone should have us all arching our eyebrows. And then factor in the recent performances. Hatton did better against Mayweather than Mosley did.

I love Mosley, he is a fantastic character. But this fight has me really worried for him. I really hope it is us who have all got it wrong, just like with the Morales fight because there is nothing worse than a deluded old fighter taking a beating.

[Snakey]

I dont want shane to take a beating but its probably going to happen. But I think Shane needs to do himself a favour here and throw caution into the wind and coming out throwing lead right hands like his life depends on it. If he does that then he may get some respect from pac and keep him away for a few rounds. No use being cautious against pac, hes going to hit you no matter what so most well make the best of it and go for broke.

[Dark Lord Al]

this is not an easy fight for PACMAN , Shane is fast , durable and has power , this could be an upset.

[Mars_ax]

Mosely has hung in there way longer than I ever expected, I was calling him "shot" in 2005. He proved everybody wrong who felt so. However all fighters get old, and there's usually one particular fight in which this happens that later on, we can all pinpoint.

I feel this may wel;l be the fight in which later on we say Shane really (finally) showed his years, and its his last hurrah, if he's gonna win HE BETTER PULL SOMETHING OUT OF THAT LONG, DEEP BAG OF TRICKS HE HAS DEVELOPED AND KNOCK PAC OUT QUICK---REAL QUICK. Once the Phillipino Buzz Saw gets buzzin' and gets his rhythm going fine and smooth like a whirring machine, let's say by round 5, its a hopeless situation for Mosely.

I think Pac will stop Mosely in between 7 and 8. The doctor will actually stop it. Mosely's face will be swelled up like a hot air balloon, looking quite the jack o lantern with a grimace and a grin.

LMFAO, @ the Phillipino Buzz Saw gets buzzin', ain't that the damn truth, Manny is relentless once he gets started.

[miron_lang]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc.

Cotto - Back to back wins before facing Pacquiao

Hatton - Looks so much improved in the Malinaggi fight. Memory problems?

Margarito - Yeah he didnt look all that againts his trainer but. He looked in the best form of his life againts Pacquiao.

Morales - Yeah he lost to Zahir Fu_cking Raheem he was so dejected in this fight that after 12 rounds Raheem was still trying to run and he was still tryin to knock him out. Just 10 months before he did something that not even Barrera in 2 tries, Marquez in 2 tries, Cotto, Margarito, DelaHoya, Hatton and Clottey wasnt able to do. yeah he beat Manny Pacquiao.

etc - Yeah maybe.

[ninjaspy3]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc.

Cotto - Back to back wins before facing Pacquiao

Hatton - Looks so much improved in the Malinaggi fight. Memory problems?

Margarito - Yeah he didnt look all that againts his trainer but. He looked in the best form of his life againts Pacquiao.

Morales - Yeah he lost to Zahir Fu_cking Raheem he was so dejected in this fight that after 12 rounds Raheem was still trying to run and he was still tryin to knock him out. Just 10 months before he did something that not even Barrera in 2 tries, Marquez in 2 tries, Cotto, Margarito, DelaHoya, Hatton and Clottey wasnt able to do. yeah he beat Manny Pacquiao.

etc - Yeah maybe.

Hatton - Maybe he did look improved against Malinaggi but it was 2 years after Malinaggi already got roughed up by Cotto. Plus Hatton had already lost to Mayweather a full 2 years before meeting Pac.

Cotto - This one is ok. But there was the beating from Margarito (who possibly cheated). Interestingly, Pac was Cotto's 3rd fight in 2009. Cotto bit off a lot not long after the Magarito loss. Maybe too much.

Margarito - Beaten by Mosley. Next he wins a 10 round decision against Garcia? Hmmmm Margarito can obviously take punishment, but his fight with Cotto seems to be the last time he could really dish it out, so it leaves question marks about Margaritos actual punch power.

Morales - Well, fighting Pac right after losing by UD... That would seem to me the definition of a weak showing. Sure, he beat Pac earlier, but he seemed "hot/cold" at that time. Just prior to beating Pac by UD, he had lost to Barrera by MD.

All in all, there is a little truth to the sentiment expressed. Hatton, Cotto, and Margarito met Pacquiao after trying to recover from rather major defeats except for Morales, which I just explained.

And now, Mosley. No explanation needed.

[miron_lang]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc.

Cotto - Back to back wins before facing Pacquiao

Hatton - Looks so much improved in the Malinaggi fight. Memory problems?

Margarito - Yeah he didnt look all that againts his trainer but. He looked in the best form of his life againts Pacquiao.

Morales - Yeah he lost to Zahir Fu_cking Raheem he was so dejected in this fight that after 12 rounds Raheem was still trying to run and he was still tryin to knock him out. Just 10 months before he did something that not even Barrera in 2 tries, Marquez in 2 tries, Cotto, Margarito, DelaHoya, Hatton and Clottey wasnt able to do. yeah he beat Manny Pacquiao.

etc - Yeah maybe.

Hatton - Maybe he did look improved against Malinaggi but it was 2 years after Malinaggi already got roughed up by Cotto. Plus Hatton had already lost to Mayweather a full 2 years before meeting Pac.

Cotto - This one is ok. But there was the beating from Margarito (who possibly cheated). Interestingly, Pac was Cotto's 3rd fight in 2009. Cotto bit off a lot not long after the Magarito loss. Maybe too much.

Margarito - Beaten by Mosley. Next he wins a 10 round decision against Garcia? Hmmmm Margarito can obviously take punishment, but his fight with Cotto seems to be the last time he could really dish it out, so it leaves question marks about Margaritos actual punch power.

Morales - Well, fighting Pac right after losing by UD... That would seem to me the definition of a weak showing. Sure, he beat Pac earlier, but he seemed "hot/cold" at that time. Just prior to beating Pac by UD, he had lost to Barrera by MD.

All in all, there is a little truth to the sentiment expressed. Hatton, Cotto, and Margarito met Pacquiao after trying to recover from rather major defeats except for Morales, which I just explained.

And now, Mosley. No explanation needed.

People are picking on this list because Pacquiao has destroyed EVERYONE yes every LARGE MAN put in front of him. so we find an answer on why it happened?

Morales - Morales beat Pac the 1st time so objectively Pacquiao needs to beat him right? Morales is a big star Pacquiao is a big star so WTF? he needs to fight him again how can you object to this fight.

Hatton - What was the best fight for Pacquiao at the time? Yeah i agree it was the Lineal Jr. Welter champion Ricky Hatton

Cotto - Yeah he lost to Margarito so that means he's not worthy for Pacquiao who also lost not once but thrice?. Cotto is bigger than Pacquiao Cotto is younger than Pacquiao there's no fvcking way a rational boxing afficionado would criticize a Cotto match except for the catch weight. Oscar wasnt a catch weight because its Oscar period but againts Cotto. team Pac thought it was necessary so Cotto came in 145 from 146 againts Clottey. (There's should have been no catchweight)

Margarito - You did not get the 1st post. The Margarito that showed againts Pacquiao was the optimum version. That version absorbed punishment the same way he has done in the past.

* Pacquiao is fast enough and has enough power to mandhandle this big guys and not because of made up bollocks.

[ninjaspy3]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc.

Cotto - Back to back wins before facing Pacquiao

Hatton - Looks so much improved in the Malinaggi fight. Memory problems?

Margarito - Yeah he didnt look all that againts his trainer but. He looked in the best form of his life againts Pacquiao.

Morales - Yeah he lost to Zahir Fu_cking Raheem he was so dejected in this fight that after 12 rounds Raheem was still trying to run and he was still tryin to knock him out. Just 10 months before he did something that not even Barrera in 2 tries, Marquez in 2 tries, Cotto, Margarito, DelaHoya, Hatton and Clottey wasnt able to do. yeah he beat Manny Pacquiao.

etc - Yeah maybe.

Hatton - Maybe he did look improved against Malinaggi but it was 2 years after Malinaggi already got roughed up by Cotto. Plus Hatton had already lost to Mayweather a full 2 years before meeting Pac.

Cotto - This one is ok. But there was the beating from Margarito (who possibly cheated). Interestingly, Pac was Cotto's 3rd fight in 2009. Cotto bit off a lot not long after the Magarito loss. Maybe too much.

Margarito - Beaten by Mosley. Next he wins a 10 round decision against Garcia? Hmmmm Margarito can obviously take punishment, but his fight with Cotto seems to be the last time he could really dish it out, so it leaves question marks about Margaritos actual punch power.

Morales - Well, fighting Pac right after losing by UD... That would seem to me the definition of a weak showing. Sure, he beat Pac earlier, but he seemed "hot/cold" at that time. Just prior to beating Pac by UD, he had lost to Barrera by MD.

All in all, there is a little truth to the sentiment expressed. Hatton, Cotto, and Margarito met Pacquiao after trying to recover from rather major defeats except for Morales, which I just explained.

And now, Mosley. No explanation needed.

People are picking on this list because Pacquiao has destroyed EVERYONE yes every LARGE MAN put in front of him. so we find an answer on why it happened?

Morales - Morales beat Pac the 1st time so objectively Pacquiao needs to beat him right? Morales is a big star Pacquiao is a big star so WTF? he needs to fight him again how can you object to this fight.

Hatton - What was the best fight for Pacquiao at the time? Yeah i agree it was the Lineal Jr. Welter champion Ricky Hatton

Cotto - Yeah he lost to Margarito so that means he's not worthy for Pacquiao who also lost not once but thrice?. Cotto is bigger than Pacquiao Cotto is younger than Pacquiao there's no fvcking way a rational boxing afficionado would criticize a Cotto match except for the catch weight. Oscar wasnt a catch weight because its Oscar period but againts Cotto. team Pac thought it was necessary so Cotto came in 145 from 146 againts Clottey. (There's should have been no catchweight)

Margarito - You did not get the 1st post. The Margarito that showed againts Pacquiao was the optimum version. That version absorbed punishment the same way he has done in the past.

* Pacquiao is fast enough and has enough power to mandhandle this big guys and not because of made up bollocks.

I can agree with the reason for fighting Hatton but it doesnt make Hatton's previous performance look better. The same goes with Morales.

Regarding Cotto losing the way he did to Mrgarito is the point I was making. Of course Pac is a great fighter but I still think Cotto had it a bit hard.

And what is this "optimum" Margarito everyone is mentioning. What is it making him so great all of a sudden on the night he fought Pac as opposed to his previous 2 fights? Because he "looked" in good shape?

The fact that Pac is a great fighter need not make all other points untrue.

[Gandalf]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc.

Cotto - Back to back wins before facing Pacquiao

Hatton - Looks so much improved in the Malinaggi fight. Memory problems?

Margarito - Yeah he didnt look all that againts his trainer but. He looked in the best form of his life againts Pacquiao.

Morales - Yeah he lost to Zahir Fu_cking Raheem he was so dejected in this fight that after 12 rounds Raheem was still trying to run and he was still tryin to knock him out. Just 10 months before he did something that not even Barrera in 2 tries, Marquez in 2 tries, Cotto, Margarito, DelaHoya, Hatton and Clottey wasnt able to do. yeah he beat Manny Pacquiao.

etc - Yeah maybe.

Cotto - Destroyed by Margarito, came back against fluff

Hatton - Knocked out by both the post and Mayweather. Malignaggi has since proven that he is far from elite, plus can't punch

Margarito - Destroyed by Mosley. A year out banned.

Morales - Loss to some guy who none of us can remember. Weight drained and stopped against Pac

Mosley - 2 crappy performances on the trot, older than the rest of the previous opponents combined.

Manny is great, Manny also picks carefully.

[miron_lang]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc.

Cotto - Back to back wins before facing Pacquiao

Hatton - Looks so much improved in the Malinaggi fight. Memory problems?

Margarito - Yeah he didnt look all that againts his trainer but. He looked in the best form of his life againts Pacquiao.

Morales - Yeah he lost to Zahir Fu_cking Raheem he was so dejected in this fight that after 12 rounds Raheem was still trying to run and he was still tryin to knock him out. Just 10 months before he did something that not even Barrera in 2 tries, Marquez in 2 tries, Cotto, Margarito, DelaHoya, Hatton and Clottey wasnt able to do. yeah he beat Manny Pacquiao.

etc - Yeah maybe.

Cotto - Destroyed by Margarito, came back against fluff

Hatton - Knocked out by both the post and Mayweather. Malignaggi has since proven that he is far from elite, plus can't punch

Margarito - Destroyed by Mosley. A year out banned.

Morales - Loss to some guy who none of us can remember. Weight drained and stopped against Pac

Mosley - 2 crappy performances on the trot, older than the rest of the previous opponents combined.

Manny is great, Manny also picks carefully.

LOL. You just describe some negative stuffs in your mind about those fighters. You mean they are the reason they got the fight againts Pacquiao?

Bulldogs above post is actually a good reply to this post.

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i see your memory is not as good as it used to be. but i still like to ask you this question.


Before these fights took place do you remember how you feel leading up this so called cherry picked fights?

[generalbulldog]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc.

Cotto - Back to back wins before facing Pacquiao

Hatton - Looks so much improved in the Malinaggi fight. Memory problems?

Margarito - Yeah he didnt look all that againts his trainer but. He looked in the best form of his life againts Pacquiao.

Morales - Yeah he lost to Zahir Fu_cking Raheem he was so dejected in this fight that after 12 rounds Raheem was still trying to run and he was still tryin to knock him out. Just 10 months before he did something that not even Barrera in 2 tries, Marquez in 2 tries, Cotto, Margarito, DelaHoya, Hatton and Clottey wasnt able to do. yeah he beat Manny Pacquiao.

etc - Yeah maybe.

Cotto - Destroyed by Margarito, came back against fluff

Hatton - Knocked out by both the post and Mayweather. Malignaggi has since proven that he is far from elite, plus can't punch

Margarito - Destroyed by Mosley. A year out banned.

Morales - Loss to some guy who none of us can remember. Weight drained and stopped against Pac

Mosley - 2 crappy performances on the trot, older than the rest of the previous opponents combined.

Manny is great, Manny also picks carefully.

No offense Miles, but you can't make excuses now after those victories. When if I'm not mistaken you were one of the loudest supporters that Hatton and Cotto would murder Pac. You can't be Nastradamus now after the fact and make excuses why Hatton and Cotto lost. If you felt that way then maybe you should have said it beforehand and said Pac would win those fights easily and not come out with excuses now after the fights took place and they lost.

That's one thing that always bother me about boxing fans that they come out with every excuse to downgrade another fighter's win, when they picked the other guy to win in the first place.

[Gandalf]

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc.

Cotto - Back to back wins before facing Pacquiao

Hatton - Looks so much improved in the Malinaggi fight. Memory problems?

Margarito - Yeah he didnt look all that againts his trainer but. He looked in the best form of his life againts Pacquiao.

Morales - Yeah he lost to Zahir Fu_cking Raheem he was so dejected in this fight that after 12 rounds Raheem was still trying to run and he was still tryin to knock him out. Just 10 months before he did something that not even Barrera in 2 tries, Marquez in 2 tries, Cotto, Margarito, DelaHoya, Hatton and Clottey wasnt able to do. yeah he beat Manny Pacquiao.

etc - Yeah maybe.

Cotto - Destroyed by Margarito, came back against fluff

Hatton - Knocked out by both the post and Mayweather. Malignaggi has since proven that he is far from elite, plus can't punch

Margarito - Destroyed by Mosley. A year out banned.

Morales - Loss to some guy who none of us can remember. Weight drained and stopped against Pac

Mosley - 2 crappy performances on the trot, older than the rest of the previous opponents combined.

Manny is great, Manny also picks carefully.

No offense Miles, but you can't make excuses now after those victories. When if I'm not mistaken you were one of the loudest supporters that Hatton and Cotto would murder Pac. You can't be Nastradamus now after the fact and make excuses why Hatton and Cotto lost. If you felt that way then maybe you should have said it beforehand and said Pac would win those fights easily and not come out with excuses now after the fights took place and they lost.

That's one thing that always bother me about boxing fans that they come out with every excuse to downgrade another fighter's win, when they picked the other guy to win in the first place.

I was a huge supporter of Hatton winning the fight. It was the last time I ever jumped into the ring building up a fighter. Just as some men marry and deny their secret gayness, a fan will get behind his fighter and ignore the chinks. I did just that and I learned a valuable lesson (chinks, not marriage.... though some of you might argue otherwise). I was wrong. With Cotto I was much more guarded and was quite angry about the catchweight.

None of us really knew how Manny would carry the weight. History is not written in the present, views are often revised. Just as we realised that WMD didn't exist, we also came to realise that there was a pattern in how Manny chose opponents.

That is why I try not to underestimate fighters too unfairly these days. Those recent performances do mean something. And you do see a pattern in Manny's recent opponents. All very good fighters, but typically coming in off of a nasty beating or dropping weight when they shouldn't.

Manny is still an exceptional fighter though.