Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
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I think you got most of the right names. I'd argue Carlos Palomino belongs even though born in Mexico. He moved to the US as a toddler IIRC. Isn't the same true of the Ruelas' Brothers? If Margarito is excluded, shouldn't these guys be included? But, your list, your criteria.

Here are some that would be on my list. Oscar Alborado (154 strapholder), Raul Marquez (154 strapholder), Ernie Lopez was a tremendous welter and fought for the undisputed crown twice, Jaime Garza (122 strapholder), how about Tony Ayala Junior?, Hell Mike Ayala was far more accomplished than Victor Ortiz.

But again, my compliments. Our debate would be over the last 7-8 names out of 25.

The bad news is you have the order screwed up in my view. The first two are too high, as is Tony Lopez while Art Aragon, Manuel Ortiz, Mando Ramos are too low. I'd move some other guys around too. A valiant effort though.

I'd love to talk more, but I'll be busy fucking myself for a while now.
The Ruelas brothers have been called and considered Mexican fighters a lot of times. Margarito I don't think has ever been called a Mexican-American fighter before. So I excluded them just for that reason

I stand by my placements (who would you have 1 & 2?). Oscar has his critics. But they can't change facts. Decorated amateur career that included an Olympic Gold Medal and several other championships. As a pro he won 10 championships in 6 weight classes. He defeated 20 title holders and 2 ATG (should of been 4). Not to mention after Tyson and before Mayweather/Pacquiao Oscar pretty much carried Boxing on his back. Canizales is a Hall of Famer. He made i believe a total of 16 title defenses. He cleaned out the Batamweight division. He finished at 50-5. But that very easily could of been 54-1. His last 4 losses were all by SD that easily could of gone his way. The man had an iron chin. To my knowledge I don't think he was ever dropped. Can't recall.

Ortiz I have at 3. I don't consider that low. Ramos was a difficult one. I originally had him top 5 when I started. I gave him a lot of credit for challenging for a title at 18 years old I believe it was. And for winning it at 20. What hurt him was he didn't do much as champion and the fact that he was pretty much washed up at 24 years old. What hurt the original Golden Boy Art Aragon was never being champion. He was hella popular. And if it came down to who banged the most best looking broads it's a 3 man race between him, De La Hoya and Ramos. Sadly for him that's not the case

There are some fighters I left out that could easily be swapped in. The Ayala's, Raul Marquez, Garza, Alborado and maybe even Steven Luevano. I also do think I might of reached a little to much on Louie Espinosa. But I'm satisfied. The Mexican list will be much, much tougher

Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
Swap Diego C around with Fernando V make me happier.

Just always thought Varges over rated himself I've never had faith in his mental attitude.

Glad you got Carbajal up high up there.
Corrales was a little tough. I didn't wanna over place him just cuz he's deceased. At the same time he did have good accomplishments. I could swap him with Vargas and be ok with it. I mean I understand people's views on Vargas. And he did underacheve a little. And his career was kind of short. But he did fight Yory Boy Campas, Raul Marquez, Ike Quartey, Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya, Wilfredo Rivera, Ricardo Mayorga, Winky Wright and Shane Mosley in that short career