The Fog of being a Fan

**marbleheadmaui** · 05-03-2011 01:07 AM

I'd question two of your assertions. Wlad has almost ONLY fought legit challengers (not his fault that they suck!). Manny's comp has been terriffic (given how much the era blows) I think. I think only Shane is already done.

Some of my faves

Finito Lopez had 25 defenses but the level of competition he faced wasn't great. At the extremes of human size? The numbers get small and so does the talent.

Roberto Duran just didn't show up in top form very often and how in hell does one lose to Kirkland Laing?

By the time Jack Demspey earned his title shot and defeated Jess Willard, there just wasn't much left in the division to beat.

Really slick boxers could make Alexis Arguello look slow, clumsey and befuddled for long stretches.

Marvin Hagler's ring IQ was a cut below most ATG's

**captainanddew** · 05-03-2011 02:12 AM

the problem with Floyd playing it safe is two-fold: 1-he runs around bragging about being GREAT. You can't be great if you continually play it safe. 2-He has been one of the top 2 faces of the sport for half a decade. When you have reached that level, you have to be willing to reward that acclaim with great performances in the ring against the best fighters you can find.

Floyd-was once on his way to being truly great, and instead became a great matchmaker.

**Master** · 05-03-2011 08:57 PM

Can you explain why Marvin Hagler's ring IQ was a cut below most ATG's

**erics44** · 05-04-2011 09:06 AM

this is a pretty depressing thread

yeah it woulod be pretty stupid to deny the steriods, but appart from cheating i dont think you can knock any boxer especially at the level you are talking about

id much rather be involved with a thread titled "whats ace about boxing" or something

**mafiajoey** · 05-04-2011 09:14 AM

People knock Floyd for fighting Shane (after he won and time passed of course) yet now that Manny fights him Shane is legit?

**Master** · 05-04-2011 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by mafiajoey

People knock Floyd for fighting Shane (after he won and time passed of course) yet now that Manny fights him Shane is legit?

You are being selective, most people think Pac should have fought a younger fighter.

**mafiajoey** · 05-04-2011 09:23 AM

It seems like people riff as soon as Pac pics an opponent yet when it gets close to fight time all of a sudden Shane has a chance and hes a legit opponent. I hear what you are saying but maybe I'm just finding it hard to see through the Pac worshipers. I used to love Pac I just want to spend money seeing him fight a challenge.....what challenge? Uhh....I'm not sure but it's not Shane and it's not meant for someone to respond with "Floyd" or a stupid remark. It means someone else.

**marbleheadmaui** · 05-04-2011 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Master

Can you explain why Marvin Hagler's ring IQ was a cut below most ATG's

No. I can only give examples. His reticence during the Duran fight, his starting righty against Ray Leonard and that he didn't understand he needed to close hard against Antuofuermo in the first fight.

**Master** · 05-05-2011 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

Originally Posted by Master

Can you explain why Marvin Hagler's ring IQ was a cut below most ATG's

No. I can only give examples. His reticence during the Duran fight, his starting righty against Ray Leonard and that he didn't understand he needed to close hard against Antuofuermo in the first fight.

True those are some of his failings.