The Fog of being a Fan

**Master** · 05-03-2011 08:57 PM

Can you explain why Marvin Hagler's ring IQ was a cut below most ATG's

**erics44** · 05-04-2011 09:06 AM

this is a pretty depressing thread

yeah it woulod be pretty stupid to deny the steriods, but appart from cheating i dont think you can knock any boxer especially at the level you are talking about

id much rather be involved with a thread titled "whats ace about boxing" or something

**mafiajoey** · 05-04-2011 09:14 AM

People knock Floyd for fighting Shane (after he won and time passed of course) yet now that Manny fights him Shane is legit?

**Master** · 05-04-2011 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by mafiajoey

People knock Floyd for fighting Shane (after he won and time passed of course) yet now that Manny fights him Shane is legit?

You are being selective, most people think Pac should have fought a younger fighter.

**mafiajoey** · 05-04-2011 09:23 AM

It seems like people riff as soon as Pac pics an opponent yet when it gets close to fight time all of a sudden Shane has a chance and hes a legit opponent. I hear what you are saying but maybe I'm just finding it hard to see through the Pac worshipers. I used to love Pac I just want to spend money seeing him fight a challenge.....what challenge? Uhh....I'm not sure but it's not Shane and it's not meant for someone to respond with "Floyd" or a stupid remark. It means someone else.

**Master** · 05-04-2011 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by mafiajoey

It seems like people riff as soon as Pac pics an opponent yet when it gets close to fight time all of a sudden Shane has a chance and hes a legit opponent. I hear what you are saying but maybe I'm just finding it hard to see through the Pac worshipers. I used to love Pac I just want to spend money seeing him fight a challenge.....what challenge? Uhh....I'm not sure but it's not Shane and it's not meant for someone to respond with "Floyd" or a stupid remark. It means someone else.

I hear what you are saying, Hell I wanted him to fight Berto but now that looks silly. He may fight JMM but I think that is an easy fight for Pac Man. Floyd is in trouble. Ortiz looks good but he could collapse too.

**marbleheadmaui** · 05-04-2011 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Master

Can you explain why Marvin Hagler's ring IQ was a cut below most ATG's

No. I can only give examples. His reticence during the Duran fight, his starting righty against Ray Leonard and that he didn't understand he needed to close hard against Antuofuermo in the first fight.

**Master** · 05-05-2011 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

Originally Posted by Master

Can you explain why Marvin Hagler's ring IQ was a cut below most ATG's

No. I can only give examples. His reticence during the Duran fight, his starting righty against Ray Leonard and that he didn't understand he needed to close hard against Antuofuermo in the first fight.

True those are some of his failings.