70 Greatest Mexican Fighters Ever

[marbleheadmaui]

OK some more measured thoughts. But first I cannot even IMAGINE how much work this was. So thanks for that!

I think you have the first two right. I LOVE Finito but as dominant as he was I'm just not sure he beat guys as good as those Sal Sanchez or Carlos Zarate or Saldivar beat. JMM, as great as he is hasn't either. I mean Sal beat Azumah and Little Red and LaPorte and Castillo. DAMN!

Then I've got some quibbles. Rafael Marquez always get short shrift. Who has JMM beaten who was as good as Mark Johnson or Izzy or Tim Austin?

I also think Chiquita Gonzales' wins over Carbajal and Chang might mean he belongs higher.

Lastly I think there's is an entire group that belongs higher. The Mexican bantams from 1960 or so through about 1973 were an absolutely terriffic bunch who got a bunch of their losses to one another. Chucho Castillo, Jose Medel, Jesus Pimintel, Rodolfo Martinez, Rafael Hererra, Romeo Anaya all belong no lower than 25-30 in my view. They just kicked the crap out of each other.

But again, this is a heroic effort. The only name I don't think you included is El Raton, Raul Macias. He's a top 25 guy at worst.

[Violent Demise]

OK some more measured thoughts. But first I cannot even IMAGINE how much work this was. So thanks for that!

I think you have the first two right. I LOVE Finito but as dominant as he was I'm just not sure he beat guys as good as those Sal Sanchez or Carlos Zarate or Saldivar beat. JMM, as great as he is hasn't either. I mean Sal beat Azumah and Little Red and LaPorte and Castillo. DAMN!

Then I've got some quibbles. Rafael Marquez always get short shrift. Who has JMM beaten who was as good as Mark Johnson or Izzy or Tim Austin?

I also think Chiquita Gonzales' wins over Carbajal and Chang might mean he belongs higher.

Lastly I think there's is an entire group that belongs higher. The Mexican bantams from 1960 or so through about 1973 were an absolutely terriffic bunch who got a bunch of their losses to one another. Chucho Castillo, Jose Medel, Jesus Pimintel, Rodolfo Martinez, Rafael Hererra, Romeo Anaya all belong no lower than 25-30 in my view. They just kicked the crap out of each other.

But again, this is a heroic effort. The only name I don't think you included is El Raton, Raul Macias. He's a top 25 guy at worst.

I love Chavez. And don't have a problem seeing him listed at number 1 in most lists. But it seems like he's just listed at number 1 automatically cuz people are so use to seeing him being listed at 1. I consider Oliveras to be the best Bantamweight ever. His resume is outstanding and I think edges Chavez for number 1

Juan Manuel Marquez was a little hard cuz he's still fighting. I rate him so high cuz I consider his fights with Pacquiao and the John fight to be wins for him. He's also beaten naturally bigger fighters these last couple of years. Being the only man to ever stop Joel Casamayor scores him a lot of points with me.

Humberto Gonzalez I actually had a little higher. But dropped him a little. He was a great fighter. But that loss to Rolando Pascua bugs the hell out of me. Always has. Without that loss Gonzalez is easily top 10

I agree the Batamnweights from the 60's and 70's were outstanding fighters. They hurt each others standings by beating each other. But I didn't forget about them. Castillo, Pimintel, and Hererra are listed.

[marbleheadmaui]

OK some more measured thoughts. But first I cannot even IMAGINE how much work this was. So thanks for that!

I think you have the first two right. I LOVE Finito but as dominant as he was I'm just not sure he beat guys as good as those Sal Sanchez or Carlos Zarate or Saldivar beat. JMM, as great as he is hasn't either. I mean Sal beat Azumah and Little Red and LaPorte and Castillo. DAMN!

Then I've got some quibbles. Rafael Marquez always get short shrift. Who has JMM beaten who was as good as Mark Johnson or Izzy or Tim Austin?

I also think Chiquita Gonzales' wins over Carbajal and Chang might mean he belongs higher.

Lastly I think there's is an entire group that belongs higher. The Mexican bantams from 1960 or so through about 1973 were an absolutely terriffic bunch who got a bunch of their losses to one another. Chucho Castillo, Jose Medel, Jesus Pimintel, Rodolfo Martinez, Rafael Hererra, Romeo Anaya all belong no lower than 25-30 in my view. They just kicked the crap out of each other.

But again, this is a heroic effort. The only name I don't think you included is El Raton, Raul Macias. He's a top 25 guy at worst.

I love Chavez. And don't have a problem seeing him listed at number 1 in most lists. But it seems like he's just listed at number 1 automatically cuz people are so use to seeing him being listed at 1. I consider Oliveras to be the best Bantamweight ever. His resume is outstanding and I think edges Chavez for number 1

Juan Manuel Marquez was a little hard cuz he's still fighting. I rate him so high cuz I consider his fights with Pacquiao and the John fight to be wins for him. He's also beaten naturally bigger fighters these last couple of years. Being the only man to ever stop Joel Casamayor scores him a lot of points with me.

Humberto Gonzalez I actually had a little higher. But dropped him a little. He was a great fighter. But that loss to Rolando Pascua bugs the hell out of me. Always has. Without that loss Gonzalez is easily top 10

I agree the Batamnweights from the 60's and 70's were outstanding fighters. They hurt each others standings by beating each other. But I didn't forget about them. Castillo, Pimintel, and Hererra are listed.

I figured as much in the bold on JMM. I just don't think you can pick and choose decisions you disagree with and reverse them. Not because they might not have been wrong but because to be fair you'd have to go through the entire recordbook and do it for everyone. But again, your list, your criteria.

The Pascua loss by Chiquita is one of the headscratchers of the last 30 years. Just bizarre.

Like I said, this was a massive piece of work and is gonna keep me busy thinking for a few days. Thanks for that!