WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[erics44]

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

im not sure he was singled out by floyd tho was he? i think a lot of people were suspicious with roaches apparent history and all

and if my boss publically asked me if he could check my pc for kiddy porn i would let him, and once he found there wasnt any i would do something to put him in the spotlight

Of course he was. No other fighter demanded Manny test.

Like i said, it depends on how you view your honor. If you feel hostage to every outrageous accusation? You'll spend all your time answering them. Wild accusations do not deserve a response.

I could be wrong but as far as i remember when manny started stepping up through the weights theres was talk of drugs, around the time of the cotto fight, maybe just after the drug talk came to a head, then there was talk of a fight with floyd, then floyd said take a test

leaving your job wouldb be a pretty big response

[Rantcatrat]

Marble exagerated a little bit, but I agree with him. It's not like Mayweather came out and petitioned the Nevada Boxing Commission to require stricter testing. It's been more than one year since his last fight - he has had plenty of time to petition the Commission for more thorough testing for all fighters. And yet, he hasn't. Indeed, Floyd or his team manage a few younger fighters. Fighters whose welfare they care for. Do they require stricter testing when those boxers fight?

My theory is that Floyd is more of a businessman than a boxer. Floyd's fight history proves me correct. More power to him. He isn't in boxing to retire as the best of all time; he isn't trying to outdo Sugar Ray Robinson or Ali. If he was boxing for legacy, he'd fight Pacquiao regardless of a test, and then he'd fight Sergio, and then he'd try to go up and fight someone else. We all know the odds are that he would beat Pacquiao (and for that matter, the odds are he'd beat Sergio). Think about it. The odds favored Floyd when they came out after his last fight so even the bookies (who are correct most of the time) think he'll beat Pacquiao, and those odds weren't accounting for a drug test. They were saying if Floyd fought Pacquiao in 2010, he would likely win, drug test or not.

I believe out of Floyd's last five opponents, Pacquiao would be his toughest test. Why jump in and fight Pacquiao now? What sense does that make? The fight will be worth more money in a year seeing as though Pacquiao is signing endorsement deals with Hewlett Packard and coming out with a cologne in his name. Floyd might as well take a warm-up at the end of the year, maybe even two warm-ups and then take the riskiest fight out there for more money. That would be two or three fights making more than $10M per fight, and then a fight for $50M.

I don't buy that Floyd was putting off fighting Manny because he thought steroids made Manny too tough and not worth the risk of wear and tear to his body, and that without steroids, Manny wasn't the same risk. Floyd is the best defensive fighter in the game. It is my opinion that even with wings, Manny wouldn't catch Floyd very often.

It's the same reason why Arum decided to keep JuanMa away from Gamboa. Now, that backfired, but JuanMa as talented as he is, is no Floyd. It's why David Haye took fights against Valuev and Ruiz before stepping in with Wlad. And now, Haye's money is better because of it.

Floyd ain't dumb. The drug test is more of a rouse to make there even be more controversy surrounding the fight. The bottom line is money and Floyd's bet is that if Pacquiao gets to be even a bigger star, maybe even to the point where Pacquiao is the A-side in a fight with him, Floyd makes more money. This all makes even more sense if Floyd believes Pacquaio is the biggest risk to him. Why not make more money fighting your toughest fight?

[fan johnny]

Here's the thing that gets me. People don't even know what the Olympic Style testing requirements are, and don't know that what Floyd is asking for are completely different.

(OST calls for a Random testing during (and this is key) non-competition times. Urine testing is also random but usually immediately follows an event.

The other thing they don't get is that the blood tests are not even used to detect the presents of PED's but rather they are used only for profiling. When profiling uncovers abnormal level it is an indicator of PED use which in turn triggers additional Urine testing for banded substances.

What Floyd was asking for was a series of Blood & Urine tests over the 8 weeks of the training period leading up to the fight. According to the standards this points to nothing but pure harassment.

When blood testing was being preformed during competition times to detect HGH, not a single athlete was discovered using HGH. This is the test that the Victor Conte's of the world came up with. When congress asked why it did catch a single athlete? The answer was because testing was always being done at competition times and it would not benefit the athlete to take PED's at that time and to catch the athlete testing needed to be done randomly at non-compitation time when the athlete would have the most benefit.

Now for those of you who are not up-to-date in the last offer made to Floyd, .

[Mars_ax]

Oh great, another pointless/divisive Pac-PBF blood testing/PEDS thread.

[Hornfinger]

Yup another thread where everyone says what they've said a million times before. So I'll say my piece again. My as well.

Urine sampling is a joke and detects FUCK ALL!

All Floyd is asking for is a fair and even fight.

Only unclean athletes refuse/run from testing.

Refusing a test is the same as failing one.

A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove that they are clean.

[fan johnny]

yup another thread where everyone says what they've said a million times before. So i'll say my piece again. My as well.

Urine sampling is a joke and detects fuck all!

All floyd is asking for is a fair and even fight.

Only unclean athletes refuse/run from testing.

Refusing a test is the same as failing one.

A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove that they are clean.

then don't make baseless accusations or stfu!

[Hornfinger]

yup another thread where everyone says what they've said a million times before. So i'll say my piece again. My as well.

Urine sampling is a joke and detects fuck all!

All floyd is asking for is a fair and even fight.

Only unclean athletes refuse/run from testing.

Refusing a test is the same as failing one.

A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove that they are clean.

then don't make baseless accusations or stfu!

Read the post again.

Clean athletes don't refuse/run from tests - Pac did

Refusing a test is the same as failing one (look it up) - Pac has refused numerous times

A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove he is clean - when has pac shown even the slightest urge to prove he is clean?

Those are the FACTS. Done and dusted, nothing left to say.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Clean athletes don't refuse/run from tests - Pac did

Refusing a test is the same as failing one (look it up) - Pac has refused numerous times

A clean athlete will usually jump at the chance to prove he is clean - when has pac shown even the slightest urge to prove he is clean?

Those are the FACTS. Done and dusted, nothing left to say.

You are not updated with the facts, are you?

First of all, Manny did not refuse the drug test. He had been undergoing it every fight. The disagreement in the first negotiation is the timing of the drug test.

Go forward to the second negotiation, Manny agreed to the drug test timing terms of Floyd. What did Floyd do? Go on vacation.

[Mar]

Because of the position that his haters have mostly put floyd in, he can now ask for pretty much whatever he wants. To make this fight he could ask pac to wear a yellow skirt and some would try and make it happen. It sucks it's this way ,but we only have ourselves to blame. Instead of just acknowledging a great bout between the two best fighters in the sport. You have fans that constantly on a daily basis try to pump up one guy and shit on the other. Now this whole outside the ring war has taken off and we arent reigning it back in. The best way to have this fight made is to ignore floyd and his sillyness and convince him that he is a part of boxing. Not boxing itself. So why is he asking for the tests ? Because he can. He knows pac aint on shit. I just think the guy likes being begged to fight more than he actually likes fighting. And who's fault is that.

[Beanflicker]

Well if you want to get on the subject of "who is so-and-so to demand special rules", people forget that Manny demanded that Floyd be fined 10 MILLION DOLLARS for every pound he came in overweight. Show me the AC rule that says "a fighter shall be fined 10 MILLION for every pound he comes in overweight".

People also forget that Manny demanded Cotto defend his welterweight belt at a CATCHWEIGHT. When have you ever seen a 147lb title being contested at a weight other than 147lbs?

So why does Manny get a free pass for this crap, while Floyd is labelled a ducker for demanding stricter drug testing? It's a legitimite request because drug testing in boxing (and a lot of pro sports in general) is an absolute joke.

[Hornfinger]

Well if you want to get on the subject of "who is so-and-so to demand special rules", people forget that Manny demanded that Floyd be fined 10 MILLION DOLLARS for every pound he came in overweight. Show me the AC rule that says "a fighter shall be fined 10 MILLION for every pound he comes in overweight".

People also forget that Manny demanded Cotto defend his welterweight belt at a CATCHWEIGHT. When have you ever seen a 147lb title being contested at a weight other than 147lbs?

So why does Manny get a free pass for this crap, while Floyd is labelled a ducker for demanding stricter drug testing? It's a legitimite request because drug testing in boxing (and a lot of pro sports in general) is an absolute joke.

Not to mention all the unofficial weight classes manny chooses to fight at.....

[marbleheadmaui]

Well if you want to get on the subject of "who is so-and-so to demand special rules", people forget that Manny demanded that Floyd be fined 10 MILLION DOLLARS for every pound he came in overweight. Show me the AC rule that says "a fighter shall be fined 10 MILLION for every pound he comes in overweight".

People also forget that Manny demanded Cotto defend his welterweight belt at a CATCHWEIGHT. When have you ever seen a 147lb title being contested at a weight other than 147lbs?

So why does Manny get a free pass for this crap, while Floyd is labelled a ducker for demanding stricter drug testing? It's a legitimite request because drug testing in boxing (and a lot of pro sports in general) is an absolute joke.

Here's the difference. Floyd had blown his cotnracted weight with JMM. In other words Manny had a REASON for that requirment. Floyd had previously shown bad faith.

On nthe 147 division being defended at a catchweight? Has happened MANY times. Here's just a few. Armstrong-Ross, Walcott-Gans, Armstrong-Jenkins and Griffith-Charnely.

[C-Lo]

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

Show me proof that he's NOT on roids. Show me a CLEAN random blood test.

I want proof he's not on roids.


Here's another thing.

Why don't pac fans want manny to take a test? Surely pacfans should want him to take a test, pass it and then rub it in the face of every floyd fan and doubter etc... To me I don't think pacfans are convinced. To me they seem scared he might fail the test.

But this is why i think pacfans are not boxing fans, they're just pacfrans. Any boxing fan would want to see stricter testing and more importantly a fair playing field in every fight. In my view pac fans don't want this cuz they dont want their boy to take a test.

If your not for testing, fair fights and an even playing field then you ain't a fan of boxing.

That's an easy one. PROOF is he hasn't failed a drug test yet. Blood test are not the standard set by the commission. Pacquiao has never failed nor come up with questionable results on the standard testing. Give me proof he's on steroids?

[marbleheadmaui]

Something about this whole discussion puzzles me.

When did we as a culture stop shaming people for making unsubstantiated allegations like this?

[Hornfinger]

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

Show me proof that he's NOT on roids. Show me a CLEAN random blood test.

I want proof he's not on roids.


Here's another thing.

Why don't pac fans want manny to take a test? Surely pacfans should want him to take a test, pass it and then rub it in the face of every floyd fan and doubter etc... To me I don't think pacfans are convinced. To me they seem scared he might fail the test.

But this is why i think pacfans are not boxing fans, they're just pacfrans. Any boxing fan would want to see stricter testing and more importantly a fair playing field in every fight. In my view pac fans don't want this cuz they dont want their boy to take a test.

If your not for testing, fair fights and an even playing field then you ain't a fan of boxing.

That's an easy one. PROOF is he hasn't failed a drug test yet. Blood test are not the standard set by the commission. Pacquiao has never failed nor come up with questionable results on the standard testing. Give me proof he's on steroids?

When's he passed a random blood test?

You've got to be an uneducated muppet to think that a urine test will detect any modern day steroids or testosterone boosters not to mention growth hormones.

The standard test is inadequate everyone knows that.

Wheres the clean blood test results?

I'm still waiting for undisputeable proof he's clean.