WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[fan johnny]

Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.

It doesnt really does it?

The day the CPS takes someone to trial for murder based on the wishes/curiosity of one man and internet gossip is the day your analogy holds water.

You phone up the police now and report your next door neighbour for a crime of your choice. I guarentee the police will be round their to do some questioning at some point.

Get the whole street to report it and I'm fairly sure the police will be round even quicker.

If your neighbour is innocent he won't have any problem with questioning/clearing his name.

If he skips town however.... well by the reasoning of all on here he must be innocent.

It's not the accusations/internet gossip etc... it's the fact that he refused to go into a fight where olympic style random blood testing would be used into the build up.

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

Hey STUPID! and I mean really STUPID!

Ever hear of someone falsely accused of sexual harassment in the workplace getting fired! from a job like high school guidance counselor.

If your 45 year neighbor man (widower) with two daughters one young and another a teenager and was accused of being a pedophile. He is surrounded by young families. Social services comes into the house, finds pot in the house pot (From his oldest daughter) but uses it as a reason to put the kids into foster care because of the accusation! Do you think he is also going to be forced to move?

Those are obvious examples that even you should be able to comprehend. False accusations can be very damaging to a reputation way beyond point recovery.

The crap YOU are spilling is a direct result of an accusation. Don't be a moron that is incapable of learning as well, everyone has a brain fart now an then.

[Hornfinger]

Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.

It doesnt really does it?

The day the CPS takes someone to trial for murder based on the wishes/curiosity of one man and internet gossip is the day your analogy holds water.

You phone up the police now and report your next door neighbour for a crime of your choice. I guarentee the police will be round their to do some questioning at some point.

Get the whole street to report it and I'm fairly sure the police will be round even quicker.

If your neighbour is innocent he won't have any problem with questioning/clearing his name.

If he skips town however.... well by the reasoning of all on here he must be innocent.

It's not the accusations/internet gossip etc... it's the fact that he refused to go into a fight where olympic style random blood testing would be used into the build up.

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

Hey STUPID! and I mean really STUPID!

Ever hear of someone falsely accused of sexual harassment in the workplace getting fired! from a job like high school guidance counselor.

If your 45 year neighbor man (widower) with two daughters one young and another a teenager and was accused of being a pedophile. He is surrounded by young families. Social services comes into the house, finds pot in the house pot (From his oldest daughter) but uses it as a reason to put the kids into foster care because of the accusation! Do you think he is also going to be forced to move?

Those are obvious examples that even you should be able to comprehend. False accusations can be very damaging to a reputation way beyond point recovery.

The crap YOU are spilling is a direct result of an accusation. Don't be a moron that is incapable of learning as well, everyone has a brain fart now an then.

Don't get upset, just remember....

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

[brocktonblockbust]

Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it. 

uhhh, offered by WHOM by what governing body

[Hornfinger]

Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it. 

uhhh, offered by WHOM by what governing body

If he'd fought floyd he could have been tested by USADA just like shane was. He could of aasked for and done a random test like floyd and shane did on the lead up to ANY of his fights. It would have silenced Floyd and everyone else.

He chose not to.

[marbleheadmaui]

Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... however my one on murderers going to trial does.

It doesnt really does it?

The day the CPS takes someone to trial for murder based on the wishes/curiosity of one man and internet gossip is the day your analogy holds water.

You phone up the police now and report your next door neighbour for a crime of your choice. I guarentee the police will be round their to do some questioning at some point.

Get the whole street to report it and I'm fairly sure the police will be round even quicker.

If your neighbour is innocent he won't have any problem with questioning/clearing his name.

If he skips town however.... well by the reasoning of all on here he must be innocent.

It's not the accusations/internet gossip etc... it's the fact that he refused to go into a fight where olympic style random blood testing would be used into the build up.

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

Hey STUPID! and I mean really STUPID!

Ever hear of someone falsely accused of sexual harassment in the workplace getting fired! from a job like high school guidance counselor.

If your 45 year neighbor man (widower) with two daughters one young and another a teenager and was accused of being a pedophile. He is surrounded by young families. Social services comes into the house, finds pot in the house pot (From his oldest daughter) but uses it as a reason to put the kids into foster care because of the accusation! Do you think he is also going to be forced to move?

Those are obvious examples that even you should be able to comprehend. False accusations can be very damaging to a reputation way beyond point recovery.

The crap YOU are spilling is a direct result of an accusation. Don't be a moron that is incapable of learning as well, everyone has a brain fart now an then.

The International Association of the Stupid called and demand a retraction for the insult of equating stupidity and Hornfinger.

[marbleheadmaui]

when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....

Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.

no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.

Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!

This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!

there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test

don't be so daft.

LOL, NOBODY can be this dumb!

[Hornfinger]

lol.

It really does make me laugh. The only thing any of you can do is hurl insults and try and dodge the issue.

no one can tackle the issue directly because.....

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

[Hornfinger]

when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....

Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.

no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.

Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!

This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!

there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test

don't be so daft.

LOL, NOBODY can be this dumb!

NOBODY can be in this much denile lol

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

[marbleheadmaui]

when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....

Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.

no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.

Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!

This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!

there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test

don't be so daft.

LOL, NOBODY can be this dumb!

NOBODY can be in this much denile lol

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

Seriously you've been obliterated in this argument and you can quote your silly statement as often as you wish. Manny is obeying the rules, THAT is what is required, nothing more. Your murder abanalogy is off point because, unlike in a murder, there is no evidence of a crime. Your no-test=guilt idea is wrong because that only applies when a governing body says so. You have failed to identify the governing body that applies here.

You want a just system? It must be for everyone.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.

Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.

what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!

No agency has the ability to conduct the tests. They all use the same labs. The only thing not independent is the administration of the testing.

The only test, Olympic Style Testing utilizes during competition which is typically (99 time out of 100) is immediately following an event and the samples are typically urine. The random testing that OST uses is during non-competition times. Pacquiao has taken the tests a number of times, including a blood test immediately before his fight with Morales.

You add no light to the subject, only darkness.

If someone repeats a lie enough times, you might be stupid enough to believe it.

This statement already destroys Hornfinger's credibility. There is no more point in continuing the argument.

[Hornfinger]

USADA are one such body. Independent simply means a body that has no alligence or connetction to any party envolved. Nevada state commision is independant from that point of view but doesn't take blood and is completely half arsed.

Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosely have undergone and passed an independent olympic style test. You are now enlightened.

what this has to do with my previous post is beyond me. It also doesn't change the FACT that manny still has done nothing to clear his name.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!

No agency has the ability to conduct the tests. They all use the same labs. The only thing not independent is the administration of the testing.

The only test, Olympic Style Testing utilizes during competition which is typically (99 time out of 100) is immediately following an event and the samples are typically urine. The random testing that OST uses is during non-competition times. Pacquiao has taken the tests a number of times, including a blood test immediately before his fight with Morales.

You add no light to the subject, only darkness.

If someone repeats a lie enough times, you might be stupid enough to believe it.

This statement already destroys Hornfinger's credibility. There is no more point in continuing the argument.

Nope, it's childish name calling because no one can address the point, which is....

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

You only believe he is clean because he says he is. I want proof.

[Hornfinger]

when has joe biden run away from a test to see if he was a space alien or not....

Your analogy doesn't work in this instance, not one little bit.... However my one on murderers going to trial does.

no matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

lol the murderer analogy is simply dumb. Why? In the case of a murder you have a body proving someone committed murder. Here? There is zero evidence manny is using. None, nada zilch.

Biden has done nothing but run since i make my accusation this morning!

This ain't hard. Athletes have to obey the rules. Manny has done so. Next!

there is no evidence because he refuses to take the test

don't be so daft.

LOL, NOBODY can be this dumb!

NOBODY can be in this much denile lol

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

Seriously you've been obliterated in this argument and you can quote your silly statement as often as you wish. Manny is obeying the rules, THAT is what is required, nothing more. Your murder abanalogy is off point because, unlike in a murder, there is no evidence of a crime. Your no-test=guilt idea is wrong because that only applies when a governing body says so. You have failed to identify the governing body that applies here.

You want a just system? It must be for everyone.

Nope i've comfortably won this argument without breaking sweat for one simple fact that none of you can or want to address.....

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

Remember as soon as you resort to childish name calling in a thread like this you've already lost. I think the name calling I've recieved from others started a couple of pages ago, and I've chosen not to go down that road myself. I haven't needed to.....


The other thing you all fail to get is that I think All pro athletes are on roids until they prove they aren't

[InTheNeutralCorner]

[QUOTE=Hornfinger;969688]

You only believe he is clean because he says he is. I want proof.

This is in no way meant to demean you but based on the above statement that you made, what if someone wrote you this:

"You only believe you are not stupid because you say you are not. I want proof."

[Hornfinger]

[QUOTE=InTheNeutralCorner;969691]

You only believe he is clean because he says he is. I want proof.

This is in no way meant to demean you but based on the above statement that you made, what if someone wrote you this:

"You only believe you are not stupid because you say you are not. I want proof."

You want to see my degree certificate? My other diplomas? My test scores and IQ scores? sure you can have em. No problem.

Now what would you think if I started coming up with all kinds of excuses not to show you them? like I had something to hide....

Again anything to take this thread away from the issue and on to the child like name calling.

Stick to the issue, here is what it is.....

No matter what anyone says, the arguement still starts and ends at the same place. Manny has been offered a test on numerous occasions and has done everything he can to avoid it.

It doesn't matter how many fanboy excuses you throw at it, that is where the arguement starts and ends. You can't change that bulletproof fact so don't bother trying.

[brocktonblockbust]

there is no legal requirement for anyone to submit anything more than the standard requirements. i think hornfinger wants to rewrite the rules.